[pjmlp]

> Sure C++ is a tad better than C but compared to e.g. Rust and Zig it's pretty convoluted and verbose when trying to achieve things that they achieve with 2-5 liners.

yeah, if one is stuck in C++98 mentality.

[pdimitar]

Like a ton of existing C++ code out there? :P

I don't make the rules, sadly I've been forced to leave code to never be upgraded again. I imagine it happens to many others.

[pjmlp]

Like a ton of code out there written by folks that don't care to update themselves, or not seen as business value to rewrite.

That doesn't change the fact how the recent versions of those languages look like in 2022.

[pdimitar]

I don't think we disagree because both of what we say is true at the same time. It's not either/or.