[dudeinjapan]

Social justice (communism) killed upwards of 100 million last century, by famines, gulags, mass exterminations, etc. and ruined billions of more lives. Fascism killed about 50 million (WWII + Holocaust), give or take. Both are abhorrent, but social justice wins the "Worst Thing Ever" award.

[DonHopkins]

Absolutely ridiculous. Social justice is not communism. Calm down: Treating women and gays and minorities and poor people equally as human beings is not going to destroy civilization. You've been brainwashed and you're parroting fascist propoganda. Take a break from Fox News or cocaine or whatever you're on, because it's making you insane.

[dudeinjapan]

Social justice goes far beyond treating women, gays, minorities and poor people as equals. Equal treatment is enshrined in the US constitution, for example.

Social justice means not "equality" but "equity": looking at perceived disparities between social groups and then equalizing them by taking property from perceived "oppressor" groups and transferring to "victim" groups. This is exactly what Stalin, Mao, etc. did.

Why does no one argue that Hitlerism/Mussolini-ism/Francoism wasn't real fascism? "Real" fascism would of course usher in an era of peaceful law and order, harmonious cooperation between govt and business... /s

[DonHopkins]

You're insane. Cut out the Fox and coke.

[dudeinjapan]

Don't watch Fox and don't touch coke, neither cola nor powder (debatable which one is worse for you.) I took classes on social justice at Brown. When I actually understood what the profs in the space were saying, looking at what it takes to implement it in the real world, the results have been pretty horrifying every time we humans have tried it. The thing I couldn't get over is the idea of "class guilt" sometimes cast as "class privilege".

[DonHopkins]

Then why are you so unhinged and out of touch with reality?

>Social justice (communism) killed upwards of 100 million

>social justice wins the "Worst Thing Ever" award

You're absolutely insane.

Social justice is NOT communism. Got it? Because I'm repeating myself, and you're not listening to me or refuting what I said.

Apparently you have convinced yourself that phrase means something totally different than it actually does, and you're histrionically obsessing and freaking out about it.

You don't get to make up your own whacky definitions of words, and expect people to think you're not crazy or just another worthless troll when you keep insisting you're right and they're wrong.

So social justice is "communism" and the "Worse Thing Ever", huh?

Please link to the professor at Brown University and the syllabus of the class you took where you were taught that social justice is equivalent to communism, and the "Worse Thing Ever". Or perhaps you're just making shit up, or completely misunderstood what they were trying to teach you.

Do you really believe that's what the original poster was referring to when they wrote "demanding your employer take on some social justice cause"?

Exactly who is demanding their employer support communism or perform the "Worse Thing Ever"? You mean stop paying their employees and insist they keep working for free, or mass murder hundreds of millions of people?

Is that what you're afraid Twitter will do? Then give me some evidence of that, or admit you're just making crazy shit up and trolling.

If you're simply against health care, and for racism and fascism, and hate to pay any taxes, and you abstain from using any government services like public roads or police or air traffic control, then just come out and say it, and stop beating around the bush.

Come back when you'r less unhinged, and can use the same language and definitions that the rest of the world does.

[dudeinjapan]

I'm unhinged? Hmmm...

This is "no true scotsman". The ideas underpinning Communism, Marxism, Socialism, and Social Justice are intrinsically linked and overlapped. Castro himself supposedly said "No hay comunismo ni marxismo, pero... justicia social". At the core is the proposition that certain classes / socio-economic groups are "oppressors" while others are "oppressed", and that we in the present must right the social injustices of the past. None of this is controversial or a mischaracterization.

My professors at Brown of course advocated for socialism and social justice, and I too drank the kool-aid while I was there. I graduated 15 years ago so good luck finding links :) (As an aside, there is current a prof of econ Glenn Loury who publicly takes the anti-social justice stance, he has a YouTube channel. Other profs I knew such as one who escaped the Cultural Revolution in China are surely opposed to it as well, but they keep it on the DL.)

Back to the original post, employers who play the SJ game find their employees dividing themselves into oppressor and oppressed groups, and starting grievance wars which ultimately distract from the mission of the company. It's a silly exercise at companies like Twitter where most employees would be within the top 0.5% of wealth worldwide.

[protoc]

You forgotten to add that "Capitalism" has also killed 100s of millions.

[dudeinjapan]

Capitalism, free markets, and democracy a.k.a. "liberalism" on balance has created the greatest era of flourishing and peace humanity has ever experienced--we all live twice as long thanks to it. This is not a defense of colonialism and American interventionism, its simply a statement that liberal systems work far better than any other that has ever been tried.