[swooni]

> Biggest example is the idea that it's dominated by a culture of white tech bros, when in fact it's dominated by highly educated and hard-working Indian and Chinese immigrants.

Those are two related but also completely different things. Just because immigrants work at these companies doesn't mean they have a large impact on the overall culture, especially not the outward facing culture, and they certainly aren't dominating it. If anything those groups are underrepresented in culturally influential positions.

[AbrahamParangi]

I don't understand how you can say this when many of the largest tech companies have first immigrant CEOs. Of the top 10 tech companies globally, 4 (Meta, Apple, Tesla and Amazon) have CEOs of European descent.

Is the position of CEO not "culturally influential"?

[vietthan]

We would need to look at the ethnicity statistics across C-level executives. Rishi Sunak is the British PM but I can say "UK politics and government is still dominated by Whites" and the British Parliament would agree with me [1]

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01...

[AbrahamParangi]

That document says that Britain is 87% white I mean I don't know what you expect.

[vietthan]

yes, that's exactly what I meant. I was demonstrating that just because the top guy is a member of the minority group does not mean that organization is "influenced" by minority group.

Edit: I finally read the context again. Yes the top guy is a member of a minority group, and of course he will have some cultural influence. But people will disagree whether the minority group is _at the right level of influence_.

[squokko]

Conversely, if you say that "UK politics and government is dominated by Whites" without mentioning that the Prime Minister is of Indian origin you are making an equally misleading omission.

[swooni]

That isn't something I said so there is no "equally misleading omission".

[swooni]

I didn't say it didn't exist. Considering how many Chinese and Chinese Americans work in the tech industry how many famous entrepreneurs, venture capitalist or programmers of such descent do you know of that the average hackers news reader or even the average person will know of? I bet that for most people it's few.

The argument was that investigating "tech bro" culture is frivolous because the tech industry is made up of immigrants and that is simply not true. It's still very much a prevailing culture. Heck, this entire discussions stems from "what is Elon Musk going to do (next)?" after replacing the CEO of Indian descent.

I wouldn't say the same thing about hardware. But that also isn't nearly as influential and also not a hot topic either.

[ksidudwbw]

How many white tech bros in india etc etc