[aenis]

Nah, people do remember what companies do and many avoid shitty companies. I work in HR, and on macro scale this is clearly visible. Some of our clients have a hard time filling roles despite paying competitively or even generously. Sure, for some people thats not an issue, but it is a thing, and it gets more visible with engineering roles, for some reason.

[lotsofpulp]

> Some of our clients have a hard time filling roles despite paying competitively or even generously.

By definition, if they were having a hard time filling roles, they were not paying competitively enough to offset their bad reputation.

I bet they could have easily filled the role if they added a zero or two to the compensation offer.

[luckylion]

Yeah, that's why they all avoid working at Apple, Google etc because those companies illegally conspired to keep their salaries down.

[watwut]

Google does not have reputation for particularly toxic workplace. They are not super clean of course as you mentioned, but their reputation is not bad at all. And while Apple has worst reputation then google, it is still fairly good one.

[aenis]

Exactly. There are better examples.

Take for instance booking.com. They unceremoniously dumped lots of their employees at the beginning of the pandemic despite being flush with cash. Then they tried hiring people back. Guess what, lots of people didnt want to even hear how much they are offering. There are other such companies.

But yes, there are people who would not, for instance, work for AWS due to their, shall we say, internal culture.

[luckylion]

Sure, my point was that "past behavior" barely matters. Compensation, social status and work expectation is what makes people go for or avoid companies. If Google didn't pay as much, fewer people would bother jumping through hoops. If Apple had an oil-industry level social status, Californians would think twice about working there (or they'd get a cover job to use when talking to neighbors and friends).

How they fire people means very little, because very few people in tech think of themselves as the ones being fired in the near future (most likely also why few people in tech are into unions, they don't feel as replaceable as factory workers).

[watwut]

But that is the thing, I dont think you are right. You picked up companies with good reputation as examples ... they pay well and have good reputation, of course people want to work there.

There are companies with actually bad reputation and they either have problem to find staff or have to pay a lot more while still having issues.

[luckylion]

They literally formed an illegal conspiracy to harm their employees by suppressing salaries -- this type of thing apparently simply doesn't matter much if they keep offering some of the highest salaries in the industry. And neither will this behavior at Twitter, I believe.

[watwut]

> They literally formed an illegal conspiracy to harm their employees by suppressing salaries

Yes and that is bad. And still, if you work inside one of those companies, the environment does not have reputation of being toxic. It just dont, in case of google the reputation is that they treat you well most of the time, but it is slower speed then, say facebook. And facebook does not have toxic reputation either.

Their reputation is not bad, actually. People who work there criticize some, but also are generally content and happy. Because, even with that agreement, neither company is overly toxic.