[jwdunne]

I think a lot of the evangelism happened before Python and other languages both picked up steam and integrated some of the powerful ideas, e.g first class functions / closures or a powerful object system, so the chasm is now much narrower.

I’ve read a few pieces by prominent lispers who moved on to Python for similar reasons, along with wider adoption with a bigger ecosystem.

So you’re not wrong in thinking that. But I do believe there are a few things beyond macros that Lisp makes fantastically trivial that wouldn’t be so in other languages. It just doesn’t seem as magical anymore since we’ve raised the baseline for what is possible, for what to expect from a language. That is due in part to the influence of Lisp itself - lambda the ultimate own goal.

[vindarel]

Python is still pretty limited as a language & platform compared to Common Lisp though.

(just a famous example: https://tapoueh.org/blog/2014/05/why-is-pgloader-so-much-fas...)

[blippage]

I played around with Guile scheme for awhile. Also a bit of Perl. I wanted to write a simple utility, and chose Python. I am familiar with Python, but hadn't used it for some time. Getting back into it again, my conclusion was: Python, it Just Works.