[latortuga]

Unlimited PTO sucks for employees. It isn't the case in every state but some states, including mine, require employers to pay out PTO upon separation. So having unlimited automatically means you get paid out nothing on separation, a bad deal for employees. If you're allowed to take time off, then you have earned it but because of the policy, you don't get to realize the benefit of having earned it upon separation.

Unlimited PTO also discourages using PTO because nobody wants to be seen as the person taking the most vacation. And there are therefore no useful guidelines about how much is reasonable or allowed. A written or de facto company policy of "if you take more than 2 weeks of PTO per year, you'll be seen as abusing the system" is not unlimited PTO, it's an excuse to not pay people.

[jedberg]

> Unlimited PTO also discourages using PTO because nobody wants to be seen as the person taking the most vacation.

That depends on the management. I took more vacation at Netflix than anywhere else (where we had unlimited PTO). But the management made a point of talking about their extended vacations and making sure all the VPs took at least a few weeks of vacation every year to set a good example.

There was no stigma to taking vacation.

[b4je7d7wb]

Im curious did anyone take 2 months?

[jedberg]

I don't recall anyone taking 2 months at a time, other than mothers who just gave birth (who usually took 3-6 months). That being said, in the US, even companies with generous vacation policies generally don't let you earn two months, much less take it. Usually the best you can do is accrue 1.5 times your annual earning, and most places rarely give more than four weeks.

[gamblor956]

I have actually received performance review notes at my current and former job (both with unlimited PTO) for not taking enough PTO...

But in both cases, the CEOs actively encouraged PTO. At my current job, people take PTO regularly (several people at my department have taken roughly 3-4 months of PTO over the course of the past 12 months, and were promoted). What matters isn't time-in-seat, but whether tasks get done.

[hn_go_brrrrr]

That's wonderful they emphasize that so strongly. I hope the rest of the culture is as healthy. If so, it sounds like a lovely place to work.

[gamblor956]

It's a great place to work (now).

They actually have difficulty hiring people though because it wasn't a great place to work under the previous CEO a few years ago, so the Glass Door score is pretty low, and it's been slowing edging up over time. But it's gotten to the point where about half of the people who leave for greener pastures end up coming back within 6 months.

[grog454]

> Unlimited PTO also discourages using PTO because nobody wants to be seen as the person taking the most vacation.

I'll take one for the team then. When do I start?

[datavirtue]

"Unlimited PTO also discourages using PTO because nobody wants to be seen as the person taking the most vacation"

This fallacy needs to die. When I was at GE everyone in my blast radius took at least 1 month per year. Many took much more than that. There was no stigma.

[slotrans]

It's not a fallacy. It's true, and obviously true.

It may not be true everywhere, but every company I've worked in that had "unlimited" PTO had far fewer vacation days taken than companies with a limited allocation of days.

[Gareth321]

I recall reading that, statistically, you are correct.