[A4ET8a8uTh0]

This. It was hard enough to migrate people from Whatsapp ( as in, for all my privacy gripes, it is hard to argue that it just works very well in most instances ).

It is not like most of my social groups are me-centric, which forces me to pick battles carefully. Now that I moved people to signal, I need to do what I can to try moving signal to my ideal space ( no phone requirement being one of them, 3rd party clients and so on ).

[zaik]

Sounds like sunk cost. What are your chances to influence Signal leadership in any way? A better idea would be to use internet standands for messaging to avoid vendor lock-in.

[A4ET8a8uTh0]

I agree in general, but can you offer a current project that is reasonably secure, relatively easy to install and use and built on actual standards?

That list is still short. I would love to be able to return to pidgin days, where all I had to connect my various accounts >.>

I do not know if the issue is that some the features are just incompatible with standards?

Sadly, the biggest problem is inertia.

[zaik]

https://snikket.org/ could be the thing you're looking for.

[A4ET8a8uTh0]

Thank you. I will test it out. It actually may hit the spot.