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Backups work fine on my Android phone. They consistently go to a folder and Syncthing backs them up from there.

Also no problems with it not ringing, Signal is actually the primary way that my family calls each other now and no one has experienced it not ringing when expected.

The rest I admittedly dont use or arent impacted by.

While its not perfect in all ways, I disagree with the "alpha" quality sentiment. Especially when you are comparing it to apps that dont have the same security goals or standards.

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I thought it was something I did that causes it to not ring. Glad it's not just me that has the issue.

I generally agree with gp, it's not a bad app but certainly not one id ever use if I could contact someone another way. I find the lack of interpretability with my computer especially annoying. I'm constantly left feeling like a second class citizen.

Especially when it comes to seeing my history, I linked the accounts ages ago, I barely use my phone yet I'm consistently losing messages on my pc

As for the "security" I'm pretty sure it doesn't have reproducible builds, so it's basically just "trust me bro". rather trust moxie than zuck but still don't really trust either.

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>Backups work fine on my Android phone. They consistently go to a folder and Syncthing backs them up from there.

I never said backups don't work, I said they're not easy to do and restore compared to other apps where it's much more seamless and hands-off. No average user knows what Syncthing is and how to set it up. People expect the messaging app to have its own backup-restore system compatible with the cloud storage provider setup in the phone's OS.

>Also no problems with it not ringing, Signal is actually the primary way that my family calls each other now and no one has experienced it not ringing when expected.

Can't concur, I've personally seen this issue across 3 different android phones form 3 different brands and there are countless people online complaining about the same issue. You were lucky.

>Especially when you are comparing it to apps that dont have the same security goals or standards.

Which security goals and standards exactly? Signal's sales pitch is that it's end-to-end encrypted, but so does WhatsApp, and until we have an independent security audit of all of Signal's code and infrastructure, the claim for "better" security goals is as valid as "trust me bro". The only thing going for it is that it's not owned by Zuck's advertising empire or owned by Russian/CCP tech magnates, and that's it, but that's a very low bar to clear.

And also, how does having "better" security goals impact the issues with picture quality the app takes or the app failing to ring when someone calls you? "Security" is not an excuse for major bugs and lack of basic features. If security is done right then it should work transparently for the bytes going down the internet pipe and not have an impact on any other features.

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It takes a few clicks and entering a password to enable backups. Restore also worked fine the one time I needed it. They can go to Google Drive just fine, Syncthing is only so I have the backups going to my NAS instead.

As to ringing, it seems that the six people with six different phones (mostly Pixels, one iPhone) in my circle mean that it isn't good luck on my part...

It's end to end by default vs Telegram which is well known to be end to end maybeish if it's explicitly setup, for private chats only. WhatsApp is WhatsApp. Maybe it's a low bar, but Signal beats those others pretty easily. And refusing to use Signal over those two due to lack of a security audit is a bit absurd... All you're getting from Telegram and WhatsApp is "trust us bro" as well.

It's not an excuse. But considering it IS transparent for many users, me included.... Not everyone is having the issues you are.