[earthscienceman]

The nuance here lies in what a "message" is. In the contemporary era of smartphones, data transmission, and all the bits-and-bobs in between, a message is much more than just the word contents. The "messages" might be e2e encrypted but the metadata is not, and that subtle difference is ridiculously important. e2e encryption is used as an indicator that your communication is private, but while the messages on whatsapp may be private (well, until your partner in the discussion decides to send a copy to meta themselves), the communication is anything but. For some reason though this nuance is set to the side and we all bicker about the message contents.

The reality is, sending information is a multi-layered thing. There's the message contents, the message metadata, and the network that the message is sent on. All of which are subjected to different levels of privacy. Each of those things can be used to spy on you, to abuse your rights, and to generally invade your life in ways that most would consider to be inappropriate. Which leads to the obvious conclusion that e2e encryption of the messages is only a portion of the issue. By using WhatsApp, you're trusting Meta corp as arbiter of all of these pieces and their implementations. Which is obviously, given everything the Zuck has ever leaked from his mouth piece, is not a great choice.

[wahnfrieden]

Whatsapp has automated loopholes for revealing full message contents not only metadata

[earthscienceman]

I know this, you know this, and it's abhorrent. I wanted to skip over that detail and point at the more glaring issues with trusting them in general. The real point is that trusting Meta to be a good moderator of your communication and all the ways that can be misused is really absurd. Emphasized by your point that they can automagically escape their encryption routines on a whim.

[lxgr]

> I know this, you know this

Mind enlightening the rest of us?