[jasmer]

It's a resonant issue: if everyone is taught Python, it's the tool they will reach for.

And of course, Python is much more broadly applicable.

I don't like to develop in C++ because it's a tiresome mess of issues that don't exist in modern languages.

I don't care about the newer variations or whatever, I still can't do basic things or pull in a library to do it 20 years later so no thanks.

That said - it's not going to go away.

While Rust is nice, I just don't see it replacing C/C++ for a long time due to abi incompatibility etc..

C++ does require more experience, and it needs to pay well or companies won't get the talent.

[thedracle]

I'm really surprised at how stable and widely supported Rust's FFI is.

I have several C++ projects that integrate a portion written in Rust, where the Rust project produces a .a file that is ultimately linked with clang into a larger C++ project.

I definitely agree Rust has a long road to adoption in embedded/low level systems, and particularly areas with custom compilers/toolchains that rely heavily on system specific undefined behavior.

But it's a lot closer than I had thought it was a year or so ago.

[jasmer]

I agree. But I think it'll be hard to see Rust really make progress until hardware makers worldwide start really doing 'Rust First'. And the problem there, is that Rust is a bit inaccessible to many.

Rust trades of absolutely everything for performance - and that's just not the trade-off we want to make in most scenarios. Even for most embedded systems - something that's easy to program, easy to read, easy to support, great tooling etc. is worth more than a 'a bit faster performance'.

If we were to have created something ideal for embedded systems, it would not be Rust. I think it'd be a bit more like Go. Or just like a 'Safe C' with a lot better built-in libraries.

I like Rust but I fear it is not 'the one' and the bandwagon has already left the station so we have to go with it.

[steveklabnik]

ARM is a member of the Rust Foundation. Expressif has started actively paying someone to write Rust libraries for their chips.

Long way to go, of course.