[garyfirestorm]

> let relevant parties deal with them with libel laws if they want to

Falling for 2016 trap. If it’s unverified info then it should be treated as such. Except majority of the people read it and consider it a true statement. Then it’s too late to debunk it.

[dragontamer]

I guess my point is that there's more kinds of harmful speech out there than just libel / slander.

> COVID19 can be cured by drinking bleach and/or Ivermectin and/or hydroxyquinoline.

These "cures" range from useless to harmful. But no one is getting defamed, so there's no one who will take the matter to court. What do you want, for COVID19 to take Joe Rogan to court over the Ivermectin statements?

I don't think people realize how useless libel laws are in today's social networks.

[wrycoder]

There is no cure for COVID.

But, telling you that nothing works, go home and wait, is not factual. Many things are helpful, especially in combination.[0] This information should not be suppressed.

[0] https://c19early.org/

[dragontamer]

Monoclonal antibodies and Dexamethasone are effective treatments for COVID19 (depending on a lot of details of course. BA.5 and other variants are showing resistance to many Monoclonal Antibodies)

Dexamethasone studies, even in April 2020, showed a 50% reduction in death rates. This is why the death rate in the USA was so much lower than Italy, because doctors studied the crap out of COVID19 and we begun to find effective treatments.

Instead of spreading information about treatments, a large group decided it was best to spread misinformation about horse dewormers.

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In either case, I think I can safely say that the hoopla about IVM and all that was bullshit. It never worked, but people wanted to believe for... some reason? It got to the point where people were rejecting legitimate treatments (ie: Dexamethasone + Monoclonal Antibodies) and asking doctors for IVM. I know, my sister is a doctor and had to deal with this bullshit.

[wrycoder]

I'm talking about prophylaxis. Dexamethasone is used for critically ill COVID cases only. There is no approved prophylactic drug or even early treatment drug. It's use an off-label drug or nothing.

The link I referenced includes monoclonal antibody studies, and also paxlovid studies. It happens that I'm fully vaxx'd, got COVID, took paxlovid, and recovered (slowly). You might take a look at the link.

I'm not interested in "large groups", I'm interested in scientific evidence.

You may know that IVM is a Nobel prize winning drug that has been administered in billions of doses world wide for decades. It's on the WHO Essential list and is safer than aspirin.

The FDA staffers really enjoyed their "horse de-wormer" propaganda campaign. Yes, some people were using veterinary grade IVM, because they were denied the pharmaceutical grade prescription.

It's disingenuous, like saying don't drink water, because it's a chemical used in sewage treatment plants.

Here in NH, the legislature passed a bill to allow OTC dispensing of IVM. The Governor vetoed it (rightly, I think). His comment, when he signed the veto, included the remark that the measure was unnecessary, because any doctor can legally prescribe IVM for COVID. Except, most are actually not allowed to do that by their administrators.

As an experiment, my wife asked the local Walgreen pharmacist what he would do, if she gave him an IVM prescription for COVID. "We can't get any," he lied.

[dragontamer]

With all due respect, IVM has been proven to be a scam treatment with no benefits to COVID19.

If you're still on the IVM hype-train, you've been left behind in this discussion. It is known not to work on COVID19. Its efficacy in treating parasites may be well known, but COVID19 isn't a parasite, its a virus.

As Mark Twain has stated: "It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled". But hopefully it gives you some perspective on the matter. You have been fooled, and you will remain fooled as long as you're holding onto IVM illogically.

[wrycoder]

"IVM has been proven to be a scam treatment." By whom? To whose benefit (it's off-patent)?

"It is known not to work". Says who, exactly? [0][1]

IVM actually does have a multi-modal effect on SARS-2 [2]

[0] https://c19ivm.org/adoption.html

[1] https://www.cureus.com/articles/111851/

[2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-021-00491-6