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by deltree7 1320 days ago
Jeff / Sanjay weren't L11 when they transformed Google. Also that's precisely my point.

Even though you are an L5, you'll never design an Android or a Spanner or a Dremel system or a Self-Driving System from scratch.

SWEs who create Spanner Databases are 1000x more valuable to companies than someone who adds tiny features using a well-defined process and framework.

But most SWE are entitled and out-of-touch that they demand and act as though they are Jeff or Andy Rubin or Levandowski
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joshuamorton 1320 days ago
> Even though you are an L5, you'll never design an Android or a Spanner or a Dremel system or a Self-Driving System from scratch.

Correct, but neither Jeff nor Sanjay did any of those things, and no one did any of those things alone, or from scratch.

> SWEs who create Spanner Databases are 1000x more valuable to companies than someone who adds tiny features using a well-defined process and framework.

IDK, I'm pretty sure there's an automated tool that can create a spanner database for me, so I'm not sure why you think that's that impressive. Less snarkily, you're underestimating the amount of collaboration that happens, even with the impressive engineers. Tellingly, it's never the people extolled as 10 or 100x engineers who claim to be such, usually they echo my sentiments!

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deltree7 1320 days ago
You are just digging your hole deeper and deeper dude

https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.c...

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joshuamorton 1319 days ago
MapReduce is neither Spanner nor Dremel nor Android nor a Self-Driving system. I'm not sure what your point is.

And the paper you cite notes a number of other people in the acknowledgements who were critical both to refining the design, and to the infrastructure that MR was built atop, so even in the case of something that Jeff and Sanjay did do, they neither did it "alone", nor "from scratch", despite yes, being the two primary designers and developers of the initial implementation of MR.

If you have a point you're trying to make, make it explicitly.

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deltree7 1319 days ago
Geez, I'm sorry dude, you are really clueless about 10x programming.

MapReduce was a revolutionary paper which allowed Google to scale using cheap hard-drives and compute instead of paying Oracle licenses. If you can't understand the impact of that paper during early days of Google to what it became, I'm flabbergasted by your L5 claim.

You are clearly a 1x, 9-5, LeetCode, TC chasing programmer and not Jeff.

I'll pay Jeff/Sanjay/Linus/Andy Rubin/Lewandosky 20x the salary I'd pay you. it's as simple as that

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joshuamorton 1319 days ago
> you are really clueless about 10x programming.

It's not particularly constructive to presume that someone who disagrees with you is "clueless". Just to reiterate, I think that it is absolutely true that some people have extremely high value in organizations. The obvious question is whether they have extremely high value above replacement. You've yet to present any so called "proof" of this.

> MapReduce was a revolutionary paper which allowed Google to scale using cheap hard-drives and compute instead of paying Oracle licenses. If you can't understand the impact of that paper during early days of Google to what it became

Sure. I do, however fail to see how this relates to whatever broader point you are trying to make, which still eludes me.

> You are clearly a 1x, 9-5, LeetCode, TC chasing programmer and not Jeff.

At least two of these are untrue, but yes, I'm proud to maintain work-life balance? I guess you got me.

> I'll pay Jeff/Sanjay/Linus/Andy Rubin/Lewandosky 20x the salary I'd pay you.

Ah, I'm being trolled.

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