[hresvelgr]

> So like I said. It's complicated seeing it on HN. on one hand I want the world to know this technology that sadly we left behind and seem hellbent on reinventing. On the other hand, a lot of you guys suck now, and are too capable for the amount of forethought you have.

First of all, as interesting and divergent as Plan 9 was, I think you overestimate it's potential for popularity, No doubt due to your seemingly fetishistic regard for it. I think the particular brand of HN user you are "worried" about is probably never going to be interested in contributing to the Plan 9 ecosystem, so you can relax knowing your "baby" will likely be left alone.

Secondly, I've been in a lot of hobbyist communities that have all gone through their respective changes over the years. It's this particular brand of high and mighty "you lack the necessary taste to appreciate this" kind of attitude that I have found most distasteful and counter-productive to these communities. The thing that kills these communities is business types trying to capitalise, and sanctimonious die-hards, not a bunch of newbies.

Let the kids have fun, stop being a fuddy duddy.

> I'll take my downvotes in a to-go box, as usual.

Take this too, ruminating might be a refreshing change of pace for you.

[aliqot]

Not the first time your entire argument has been made. You're probably right about me, but you're off the mark about the plan9 part. I've seen this happen repeatedly over the decades. Just off the top of the head, we've seen this in Linux multiple times, before that it was the WWW, and it will happen yet again in plan9. All I can say is "just watch" and hope to God above I'll be proven wrong.

In a world where we are currently reinventing the mainframe and thinclient model, it's not hard to imagine that like fashion, tech also is cyclical. We dont say mainframe, we say cloud, we don't say thinclient, we say mobile.

It sounds like a lot of dude-trust-me, but imagine that it is possible somebody out there, maybe a very passionate neckbeard on some forum might just have an intimate history with plan9 and have a reason to feel this way before you go refuting them with JUST enough facts about their tone and delivery to fool people into thinking you're right, because you're not. .. when it comes to plan9. You've pretty much nailed my personality though, im probably that person you're describing, which I should work on, thank you. I'll accept that.

The kids are everything that's wrong with this world, and it's not their fault, they're a product of our example. I can only hope they don't squelch the 1% among them from getting their oddball ideas and opinions out there, because that's how we got here.

Make a note, you have one coffee on me, should we cross paths. Though we disagree today I can tell you're alright.

[hresvelgr]

> It sounds like a lot of dude-trust-me, but imagine that it is possible somebody out there, maybe a very passionate neckbeard on some forum might just have an intimate history with plan9 and have a reason to feel this way before you go refuting them with JUST enough facts about their tone and delivery to fool people into thinking you're right, because you're not.

While I made my points separately, together it does spin my argument as being "right" when the whole is perhaps not, I will concede that. I guess like you said, time will tell what's to come. I am also inclined to believe you are who you say you are.

I mainly take issue with gatekeeping, and I make a stink about it when I see it. The more positive variant I endorse is initiation. Instead of "you know nothing, go away" I'd rather see: "you know nothing, let me teach you the ways." Granted it's quite a feat to initiate an anonymous mass on the internet. Certainly not for the sane or faint of heart.

> Make a note, you have one coffee on me, should we cross paths. Though we disagree today I can tell you're alright.

You are too. I sympathise, I really do. The little corners we carve for ourselves are precious in their own way. Even when they change, perhaps for the better, we still grieve the past.