[solardev]

React without a framework only gives you a basic UI composition layer and some simple state management and inheritance tools.

With a proper framework it becomes vastly better. It's probably a philosophical thing too. You can make your own Frankenstein site with a bunch of a separate libs or you can go with an elegantly configured and single vendor supported bolts included framework.

[rickette]

Meanwhile React got more love from HN while frameworks like Angular have been offering this (a batteries included complete frontend framework) for many years

[solardev]

Yeah Angular was great too. It was so much cleaner than early React. These days though it's not really a contender anymore, sadly... the ecosystem has moved on. Sigh.