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by gray_charger 1321 days ago
> ...and thus they've forfeited their rights to run a website.

You cannot forfeit a right. The right either exists or it doesn't exist. Anything that can be forfeited is a privilege. Free speech is a right, but using other people's hardware to do so (via hosting/CDN services) is a privilege.
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Veliladon 1321 days ago
Of course you can forfeit a right. If I commit a felony in the US as a US citizen I forfeit my right to vote. If I sell a copyright I've forfeited the right to monopolize that work.

Nevertheless, you have the right to free speech, just not a platform. The government hasn't made it illegal for Kiwifarms to have a website, it's just that nobody wants to be a part of hosting or distributing it. That's literally the right of free association at work.

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gray_charger 1320 days ago
> If I commit a felony in the US as a US citizen I forfeit my right to vote.

Many hold the opinion, as do I, that a felon serving their time and then being left unable to vote is a violation of their civil rights.

> If I sell a copyright I've forfeited the right to monopolize that work.

You haven't forfeighted anything. You've sold a commodity. That's not the same thing.

> Nevertheless, you have the right to free speech, just not a platform. The government hasn't made it illegal for Kiwifarms to have a website, it's just that nobody wants to be a part of hosting or distributing it. That's literally the right of free association at work.

A platform is a privilege (e.g. a VPS), but they do have a right to common carrier infrastructure. The author talks about their ISP dropping them, which ISPs in the U.S. are considered common carriers (not sure about Paris). A common carrier cannot discriminate on it's clientele short of direct government action regarding criminal or national security issues. Neither of those is the case with KiwiFarms. Distasteful? Sure, but not criminal.

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harimau777 1321 days ago
In most (all?) societies that I am aware of you can forfeit your right to personal autonomy and/or life by committing a crime.

Is your argument that we should not punish crimes with imprisonment or is it that people do not have a right to personal autonomy?

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gray_charger 1320 days ago
> In most (all?) societies that I am aware of you can forfeit your right to personal autonomy and/or life by committing a crime.

Criminals still have rights, some specifically regarding the criminal justice system. Society has agreed after a conviction to not allow criminals to exercise some of their rights to protect the rights of their victims. For example, in order to protect others' right to life we have decided to infringe a murderer's right to liberty.

> Is your argument that we should not punish crimes with imprisonment or is it that people do not have a right to personal autonomy?

No, my argument is that even when imprisoned criminals' rights don't go anywhere. Society has decided it's better to violate criminals' rights to prevent the infringement of innocents' rights.

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