[kukx]

Why do you feel a need to defend political propaganda? Did you not just try to show that it is instrumental? If anything I guess you agree that there is this top down attack on Musk. Well, he became so influential that shady political interests are in play.

[carschno]

How do you imagine a "top down attack" on the richest man on earth?

[api]

Not top down, but maybe side to side.

Tesla has really helped push EVs over the adoption hump and into the mainstream. Quite a lot of incredibly wealthy people and governments (petro-states) would love to see Tesla (and Musk personally) fail. Upending the global energy order is a big deal and will make you serious enemies.

SpaceX has also almost single handedly taken the entire launch industry. Nowhere near as big as the oil and internal combustion engine industries but it's very wrapped up with large powerful states like Russia. Roscosmos is basically dead now.

The idea that Musk is pro-Russian is kind of dubious for many reasons, and Russia certainly has zero reason to be pro-Musk. He's destroyed their space industry, threatens the fossil fuel basis of their economy, and helped Ukraine.

[kukx]

If you are the richest man on earth and are attacked by political elites how would you defend yourself? Mind that they control, to some extent, media and institutions. There are things beyond money.

[incahoots]

Gonna have to agree with this. Musk may be rich but rich doesn't necessarily mean you have the same access to certain networks as other oligarchs.

If anything we should sit back and let them eat their own. I mean they've been doing it to us for so long that it's a bit refreshing to see them attack each other.

[atoav]

You do not become the richest man on earth if you are not intermingling with political actors and institutions on a grand scale. It might be shock you to hear, but the man does not need your support to defend himself.

It speaks of his PR department that you think he does.

[atoav]

I am not defending political propaganda, I am observing the area where it transitions into action with worry and thus critizising it.

Living in an area of the world where you are given more than two political choices might make you think a little differently on a lot of stuff. For example you don't have to take sides like in a team sport and cheer on "your" team independent of it's actions. What I am saying here is that the US is an absolute mid-pit in terms of propaganda and this includes Republicans and Democrats alike. Yet by my standards (the standards of someone whose grandfather was an actual Nazi) one of those propaganda machines is more dangerous than the other.