[makeitdouble]

I’d argue that’s a separate and more deeply rooted issue.

At some level of abstraction, most of the currently prosperous IT companies could be seen as barely producing anything of value, and our startup culture kinda goes in the same way (purely looking at the rate of success vs failures gives a grim picture regarding the amount of time dedicated to these failures).

We have many justifications for that, but at no point I’d see our field as being hyperfocused on only solely bringing actual value to the world.

PS: that’s not just our field of course, ad business comes right to my mind, but we probably have many other work field with very little ‘value’ when looked from a high enough perspective.

[Valakas_]

The way I see it, the current ridiculously high salaries of SWE, the easiness of it, how little so many seem to do valuable work, is in a big part due to inefficiencies in the system, due to novelty of SWE and how invisible it is.

In my field, mechanical engineering, we've had centuries of machine making. Margins are usually razor thin.

In software that's not the case. Subscriptions that should cost the customer cents per month or year, are costing 10-100x that. Margins are ridiculously high. But it's all so new and not intuitive, like a physical part, we just pay whatever.

Then the invisibility of code and difficulty of distinguishing from the outside what is well made and what isn't, enables.

In all my years working as MechE I've never seen anyone just slacking off. We're all always being pushed, working. I look some of the stories of SWE and it's ridiculous.

I think many SWE just rationalize their high salary as bringing more value to the world, which imo is not really true.