[ithkuil]

> All these tasks can be done by developers.

Yes DevOps and shift-left and whatnot. All those things do make sense (to some extent) but:

1. When developers own these aspects of the software operation lifecycle they do not produce the same amount of "code" and "features" that an old-school developer would be expected to have.

2. Even in the most utopic DevOps heaven scenario, there are still some people who will be drawn to do more "systemy" things and some developers who will actively resist at investing time at getting good and doing operations stuff. Getting rid of these people is an option of course; good luck.

[newone2three]

I probably wasn’t clear. I’m putting developers and ops people all in the same “skilled computer people” pot. And I think so would Musk and Ellison.

[ithkuil]

Yeah sorry. The story here is how people at Twitter must prove their worth by printing the lines of code they wrote, so I erred on the side of that angle also for the Ellison quote even if I had no reason to do so.