[coffeeblack]

Both Obama and Biden (and Bush) delivered a couple of wars to the military industrial complex to make trillions of dollars on. If you don’t deliver wars, the media will punish you. That’s what I learned from the past 20 years of U.S. politics.

[pjc50]

The public definitely wanted a war after 9/11. Being anti-war could get you cancelled. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_controversy

[18pfsmt]

Indeed, the public did/does want war...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent

[coffeeblack]

Just like today if you advocated for peace in Ukraine.

[pjc50]

Advocating for surrender in Ukraine will, because that will get a lot of civilians killed, but withdrawal of the aggressor won't. And yes, this is consistent, the US should never have fabricated its pretexts for the Iraq war.

[coffeeblack]

Or publicly stated that it “would depend” on how much the U.S. will help Ukraine. Only a week or so before the Russian invasion.

Reminded me of the statement that “the U.S. wouldn’t intervene if Iraq invaded Kuwait” 30 years ago. Again only weeks before the invasion that then gave the reason for the first invasion of Iraq by the U.S.

Amazing how often these same tactics work and reliably lead to big sales for the military industrial complex.