[ghoward]

This argument is useless in the face of the COVID shots because they do not prevent transmission, an important factor in herd immunity being effective.

Being anti-vax-mandate for an ineffective vaccine is not anti-vax in any way.

[xyzzy_plugh]

Your lack of understanding how vaccines work belies your argument. No vaccine prevents transmission. That makes no sense. In order to prevent transmission, your immune system must prevent any infection, regardless of how minor. No vaccine guarantees absolute prevention from infection. Depending on mode of transmission, any infection can be transmissible. Thus any vaccine may not prevent transmission, for anything.

Ask yourself what the efficacy would need to be for you to be pro-vax-mandate. I suspect I already know the answer.

[ghoward]

> No vaccine prevents transmission.

Wrong. Some viruses don't get transmitted if the person is not symptomatic, even if there's an infection. Your lack of understanding belies your argument.

> Ask yourself what the efficacy would need to be for you to be pro-vax-mandate. I suspect I already know the answer.

Well, first of all, the vaccine has to be:

* effective,

* free of major side effects,

* for a virus that kills a large portion of the infected and that kills more than just the elderly and obese,

* and not mandated for people to actually live.

The COVID shots and mandates did not meet any of those requirements.

And if you complain that my last requirement is too much, remember that in the United States, the Federal Government has severe limits on its power on purpose. Sure, the government should be able to prevent unvaccinated people from accessing government facilities, but only temporarily (while the pandemic is going on) because the government has jurisdiction over those things.

But it does not have jurisdiction over telling businesses who they can and cannot do business with.

[prottog]

Not just the federal government! All levels of government have limits on their powers. Important in the context of a New York state court ruling.

[ghoward]

Yes, exactly! Thank you for saying that when I forgot to.