[adamsmith143]

>Idk how they're teaching the quadratic formula nowadays, but when it was taught to me it was taught as a fact to be used later on.

I find it hard to believe that anyone could actually say that and believe it. In what scenario would a person that is not actively working in a STEM field (and frankly even then) ever need to solve a quadratic equation by hand? When most kids can barely handle using the formula on it's own I don't think deriving it is going to add any value to anyone other than already advanced students.

[_aavaa_]

I believe that's false. It's easier to understand something if it's tied together and built on other things you already know. Simply being handed a formula and told to use it does neither of those thing.

As you said, what good is being given a formula and told to use it for problem solving if you can barely understand it. Instead do the problem solving to derive the equation.

[adamsmith143]

I think my point is that the average student can barely comprehend using the formula, they certainly aren't going to follow a derivation of it.

[_aavaa_]

And my point was the the average student is presented with this giant, for them, formula as a finished thing and have no way to grok it.

And that if you instead start with squares and rectangles and built up to it, it'll be less daunting.

But my point wasn't about this one formula specifically, but about the approach in general.

[adamsmith143]

Not sure this makes sense pedagogically. I would challenge you to try this in a classroom of average middle schoolers and see how it goes. I don't think you grasp the difficulties here.

[_aavaa_]

Not sure why you think it doesn't make sense pedagogically. Counting and numbers are taught before addition.

Then addition is "proved" in terms of those.

Then multiplication is "proved" using addition.

One building on the next.

[adamsmith143]

The proof for 1+1=2 is something like 150+ pages. We don't give that to kindergarten kids do we.