[z3c0]

I'm not sure I understand the "Degrowth" premise. It appears to equate economic expansion with resource consumption or population growth. Economic expansion can lead to resource consumption when consuming that resource is what's valued. If everybody valued less-consumptive products and services where they are currently value more-consumptive products and services, then the resulting increase in variety of good and services would be an expansion to the economy, would it not?

[koyanisqatsi]

Every person requires a set number of resources per day in order to survive. This number hasn't changed for centuries and in industrial societies it can be equated with the consumption of energy (food and electricity). Degrowth philosophies require either fewer people or more efficient utilization of existing resources. Degrowth does not say anything about economic activity, it is fundamentally a higher level perspective about limits of bounded dynamical systems like Earth's biosphere.

[orwin]

Economic growth in %gdp is transforming and moving exponentially more stuff and people around.

You need energy to do that.

The decoupling we saw in the last years is the same decoupling France saw after the Mesmer plan, and probably caused by renewables. There is basically no decoupling between energy and GDP.

Services are just second hand production basically.