[FeepingCreature]

Two wrongs don't make a right. If Kiwifarms is acting illegally, sue them in court. If there are no laws, lobby to make them.

ISPs are not police, elected representatives or courts; they shouldn't be allowed to usurp that role.

[simplotek]

> Two wrongs don't make a right. If Kiwifarms is acting illegally, sue them in court. If there are no laws, lobby to make them.

No ISP is compelled to provide services to the likes of kiwi farms. If there are no laws, lobby to make them.

You have no right to force others to cater to your personal whims, specially if they are objectionable.

[FeepingCreature]

Fair enough. That said, consider my comment part of this process. :)

edit: I guess my disagreement with the idea of "forcing others" is primarily that I don't consider companies past a certain size worthy of having a right of free expression.

[BigsQuickly]

Yeah but I can still get fired for misgendering a coworker who decided last week that his name was "Sally". It works both ways.

[sascha_sl]

I'm not sure what reality you live in, but I had decided long before I told anyone at work and they still kept misgendering and deadnaming me regularly without me magically getting them fired. The only solution really is to switch jobs and never tell them your prior name.

The only exception to this is very obvious malice. Everything else is more likely to get you fired if you complain to HR than them.

[sascha_sl]

You're acting like "lobbying to make them" is as easy as following a 3-step how to guide.

Think about trans people as a demographic for a second.

We have very little economic power or numbers worth mobilizing for votes. Absolutely nobody has any interest in lobbying for us, corporations posturing to appeal to idealistic liberals (and then doing nothing) aside.

The only resemblance of institutional power trans people have is to appeal to those that have the actual power.

[hnusersarelame]

> In March 2019, Kiwi Farms republished both the livestream and the manifesto of Brenton Tarrant, the perpetrator of the 2019 Christchurch mosque shootings. Shortly after, website owner Joshua Moon publicly denied a request by New Zealand Police to voluntarily hand over all data on posts about the shooting, including the email and IP addresses of posters. Moon responded aggressively and mockingly, calling New Zealand a "shithole country", and stated that he did not "give a single solitary fuck what section 50 of your faggot law says about sharing your email".

The law won’t work here. They don’t care about the law.

[sinity]

Why would anyone living outside of New Zealand care about New Zealand laws? Why the hell would (should?) he hand over private data of some people to the police?

[Carl_B]

He's an American citizen, and the Kiwi Farms is hosted in America. What law did he break by telling the New Zealand police to fuck off?