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by nonce42 1330 days ago
What I find interesting is that this seems to be an obscure philosophical thought experiment, but it's actually highly political and turns up all the time on, say, Twitter. Specifically, how do you compare "factual knowledge" and "lived experience", and which is more important, and who is the "expert" on things.

To make this concrete, consider expertise on England. Suppose Prof. Smith has never been to England, but has studied it in detail for decades. And suppose Mr. Chav has grown up in England, but is uneducated and isn't even sure who is the Prime Minister. Who is "allowed" to talk about England? Smith, who knows all the facts, or Chav who lives there and knows what it's like? Can Smith tell Chav that he's wrong about England, or does Chav's lived experience matter? (I'm using England as a less controversial example, but this usually happens in discussions of race or gender.)

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I think what you're suggesting here might be both more and less complicated than you're making it, owing precisely to the presumption of the "identity" of the thing called "England" (very similar to race and gender of course).

As a black person, I just find that there's probably something along the lines of the philopsohical idea of "things are what they do," which also means occasionally getting comfy with contradictions and paradoxes.

E.g. concretely, I can (well, must, really) accept the idea of "blackness" being a very flimsy concept from a scientific view but a very strong one from a social/political one.

> Who is "allowed" to talk about England?

I don't see any issue - both can talk about England and provide different perspectives.

> And suppose Mr. Chav has grown up in England, but is uneducated and isn't even sure who is the Prime Minister.

Easy: The head of lettuce.

More seriously, this stuff comes up with historical events, which is only to be expected given that the human mind is a tale-spinner of ill repute that has a habit of creating and re-creating stories and convincing itself that this new version was the way it really happened. Records might be incomplete, or even wrong, but they don't flip things around quite as avidly as the human mind. Of course, I don't know how much known facts about cognitive science are allowed to inform philosophy...

Isn’t that question easily answered if we know if it’s a “factual” or “lived” subject that is being discussed?
are lived subjects not also factual subjects?
Only in the same sense that anecdotes are data.
You mean as one data point?