[_carbyau_]

I ride. 9 years on a second hand GSXR1000 with pipes already swapped - loud. Now 5 years on an MT-09 with standard pipes - normal. City daily commuting the whole time. I won't bother with loud pipes again.

My pet theory: Unlike motorcycle riders, car drivers don't get the benefits of stereo positioning unless you are real close.

By the time people hear it, decide to look for it, place the location, react as required - you are usually on your way anyway.

Mind you, my home park is beside the driveway between two apartment blocks. I don't want to piss off 50 people I live close to, each time I come and go.

So I have a balance of requirements to meet.

[ehnto]

I can pinpoint everyone in my 90s Nissan, I cannot do the same in modern cars. Sound deadening has ruined that type of spatial awareness. That is just from tire noise as most cars are pretty quiet too.

I do often hear loud bikes lane splitting in time to give them room though, food for thought!

[_carbyau_]

Thank you for being helpful!

However, there are people who are the opposite.