[dfcarney]

(co-founder here)

We're definitely considering it. We introduced the limits a while back as an experiment. In most cases, I believe the current limits don't make a lot of sense. Fundamentally, we were hoping to encourage the deployment of Tailscale to end devices (partially to increase users' security, partially to get a better idea of how widely Tailscale is actually being used). Unfortunately, the limits introduce the kinds of headaches that you're describing (and for IoT it can be a showstopper). The net effect across all users could be to actually discourage people from having fun and tinkering with Tailscale, which is the last thing we want.

Would you mind describing some of the other use cases you have for subnet routers? Do you have other mini k8s clusters you want to use them for? Other things? I'd love to learn more.

[artdigital]

thanks for the explanation!

> Fundamentally, we were hoping to encourage the deployment of Tailscale to end devices (partially to increase users' security, partially to get a better idea of how widely Tailscale is actually being used).

that makes sense, I also got the feeling that's the recommended way to run tailscale, and it's nice to be able to address services directly by their dns name

> Would you mind describing some of the other use cases you have for subnet routers? Do you have other mini k8s clusters you want to use them for? Other things? I'd love to learn more.

Yes that's mainly it. I am probably an edge case because I have mini k8s clusters for different things. I have 2 main networks: My network at home, then my main k8s for my personal cloud stuff, those 2 are pretty constant (but want to spin up a separate IoT network soon that may or may not need a router). Then depending on what I work on, I might spin up other k8s clusters

(I'm one of those odballs that really enjoys working with k8s for personal stuff)

I think for me it's mainly to have piece of mind to not run into limitations later on, after I'm already locked in and need to rip-out tailscale to replace with ZeroTier

[dfcarney]

Thanks! This is helpful. We need to make some changes to our pricing/plans and every bit of input will shape that.

[smackeyacky]

I think most people who are using the limit of the free account should really be paying. I am extremely happy paying for Tailscale, pandering to freeloaders is nice and fun but I really don't think it hurts anyone to charge for what the service is worth.

It's brilliant, and worth paying for.