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by panick21_ 1341 days ago
The problem with many of those unions was just that they depended on industry that no rational country could have continued to run forever. Like are you seriously going to just continue to mine coal forever, in mines that have been active for 100s of years and were just losing money.

The leader of the coal miners union didn't even fight for coal minor wages, he was talking actually revolution.

Some privatizations were sensible, lets remember that Nordics, Switzerland and so on also did that and you can do it well depending on the situation. But they are complex issues that you need to consider rationally on what you want to do.

The British government rail was probably to big, doing to many things and selling part of that and splitting it up and opening it up to some competition is sensible.

In my opinion labor in the 1950/1960 just did poorly, overly focus on some of their socialist hangups rather then making smart policy. Like Britain had debt after the war for sure, but its not like it was bombed to the ground (the Blitz was minor compared what most countries experienced), you have a rebuilding Europe. Britain had a world class aircraft industry, advanced nuclear, building lots of cars, world leading and so and so. Its had a great good electronics sector as well. Being among the best in the world in almost every major technology.

And somehow that couldn't be leveraged into much economic success. You have terrible growth and massive inflation just 20 year later. Something did go wrong, and you can't blame the conservatives. Even when they were in power for period they only slightly slow down the agenda.

To be sure, good things were done in that period as well it certainty wasn't all bad but its hard to look at pre-Tracher Britain and be overly impressed.

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Coal miners seem to have a sense of entitlement everywhere.

Coal was mostly crushed in the 1980s by the low capital cost of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_cycle_power_plant

and the low cost of gas of Natural gas in the US and UK, the latter because of the discovery of petroleum in the North Sea. The same economic steamroller pushed "pause" on nuclear energy.

Today we see coal miners in the US who are empowered by the "one state, two votes" structure of the Senate to keep the industry alive despite it being basically uneconomic as well as environmentally unsound, the difference is this time the coal miners are supported by the right instead of the left.

Those who hate Thatcher today aren't so much pining away for the way things used to be but instead for the loss of their dreams for how they think things could have been.

Thatcher's most memorable slogan was "There is no alternative" and it's that sense that the realm of the possible in politics shrunk dramatically is why people have a sense of loss. (I'm amused that both Angela Merkel and Hillary Clinton liked that slogan too.)

It wasn't all coal mining.

We lost over 2 million manufacturing jobs at the beginning of the 80s.

The hate of Thatcher, imo, was less about "the country" and more directly about the impact on people's communities and direct personal relationships.

But looking back, Thatcher tactics were at times borderline fascist.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/03/miners...