[novok]

I think a big part of why this is a focus nowadays is because some "community standards" started crossing into political canards as abuse types, so normies who are not spammers are starting to bump into anti-abuse walls, which don't create real appeal processes because that is too expensive. Now the political class is starting to demand expensive things as a result, and they have the guns.

In the past the rules were obvious easy wins like "no child porn" and "no spam" that nobody really gave a shit about most anti-abuse and welcomed it because they never encountered it for their normie behavior.

These platforms to reduce the 'political' costs of their anti-abuse systems need to drop community standards that start becoming political canards, and say that if we are to enforce political canards one way or another, then it has to become law, creating a much higher barrier for the political class to enact because they have another political camp on the other side of the aisle fighting them tooth and nail, because all political canards have multiple sides.

That might mean dropping painful things like coronavirus misinformation enforcement, violent hate speech against LGBT groups in certain countries and even voting manipulation, because you have to let the political class determine the rule set there, not the company itself. Otherwise it will be determined for you, in a really bad way, even in the USA.

[tptacek]

I mean, all of this might be true or it might not be true, but either way: if Cory Doctorow is appealing to "security through obscurity" to make his argument, he's making a clownish argument.

[novok]

Yeah I'm not even thinking about cory, just talking about this general issue and why it has become an issue in the past 7 years, vs any other time. I really think it's come down to enforcing political things as rules, and suggesting to any lurker who works in anti-abuse in big tech that you need to start putting a price on enforcing political rules, much like you do in many other parts of anti-abuse as you explained, or your going to destroy the company eventually.

I know that would be really hard also in most big tech, because unfortunately there is a specific political opinon culture there, and basically suggesting that you stop enforcing LGBT hate speech is not going go well with the general employee population. Puts them in a rock and hard place, so it would probably have to be done confidentially.