[boredumb]

NOT a colony.... we're a territory. If you think puerto rico becoming it's own country and missing out on the aid, support and ease of travel provided by the federal government you are either malevolent or naive.

Puerto Rican residents can vote on everything aside from federal elections.

[killerdhmo]

"Vote on everything aside federal elections" - what precisely did you think this means? We can't vote for the president, our elected officials to Congress can't vote on the laws that are passed. What "voting" can we do, other than yes, local elections?

[sergiomattei]

> Puerto Rican residents can vote on everything aside from federal elections.

So, a colony? Taxation without representation. We might not get taxed IRS federal planillas, but all the levies and duties plus the harmful Jones Act beg to differ with your characterization.

The US is choking our economy in its current status. Statehood or independence, a binding referendum is urgent at this point.

Oh, and don't you remember how the US Supreme Court declared us second-class citizens recently? [0]

[0]: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/scotus-declares-u-...

[trasz]

Yukon is a territory. Here, the "territory" is just a pretty name for a colony. You can't vote, US constitution doesn't quite apply, you're getting peanuts from federal aid, and when there's a humanitarian catastrophe you're left for a month without electricity - but you are very welcomed in armed forces, because you're competent and when you die it doesn't matter to decision makers, because you can't vote. In short - you pay the price, but you don't get the benefits. How's that different from a colony?

And yeah, becoming a US state would be better than independence, but it won't happen, because - you guessed it, you can't vote. By becoming an independent country you could get major powers to compete to do business with you - I'm pretty sure China would invest billions into your infrastructure, you could literally become America's Taiwan.

[LawTalkingGuy]

> You can't [...] you're getting peanuts [...] you can't vote

It kinda feels like you're trying to shame Puerto Ricans for being the USA's bitches or something but I don't think that's reasonable. Puerto Ricans are US citizens and can move anywhere in the USA which is not only valuable and lets them send money home but shows that they're respected as just other Americans.

> By becoming an independent country you could get major powers to compete to do business with you - I'm pretty sure China would invest billions into your infrastructure, you could literally become America's Taiwan.

Leave the one country that helps you, though maybe not enough, to be the puppet of their enemy. Like that's not going to end in pain, but that's not your concern as an outsider trying to accelerate chaos.

[trasz]

I’m absolutely not trying to shame anyone; I’m pointing out they are being exploited.

[colatkinson]

> NOT a colony.... we're a territory

How did the US acquire said territory? And after they acquired it, what did they do to those who did not want their nation to be a "territory?" For those unaware, I'll give you a hint: it did not involve a hearty Socratic discussion followed by a game of badminton [0].

> If you think puerto rico becoming it's own country and missing out on the aid, support and ease of travel provided by the federal government you are either malevolent or naive.

This worked out rather well for the Hawaiians, who are currently having their groundwater poisoned by the US military [1], and their ancestral land acquired by mainlanders while they are made homeless [2].

In the recent non-binding referenda, and the bill to have a binding referendum which recently died in committee, there has been an option for "independence with free association" -- that is, an independent nation-state but with strong free trade and free travel agreements baked in [2]. Statehood is that, plus being subject to the whims of voters in Wisconsin, Idaho, et al. as to whether Puerto Ricans should be allowed funding for things. Keep in mind that there is no way out of this setup short of insurrection.

Given Puerto Rico has a distinct language, culture, etc. from the US, I can only assume we're deciding that the Westphalian model of the nation-state is not a consideration. Given this, I would also like to propose the following for statehood:

1. Korea

2. Vietnam

3. Iraq

4. Iran

5. Afghanistan

6. Somalia

7. Syria

8. Mexico

9. Haiti

10. Dominican Republic

These countries would surely flourish with the support and aid provided by the US federal government. And they were already, at one point or another, occupied by the US. So I can think of no reason not to annex them, short of naïveté or malevolence.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utuado_uprising

[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/04/the-us...

[2]: https://thehomemoreproject.org/blog/the-hawaiian-homelessnes...

[MockObject]

America acquired it fair and square, the same way nearly all land is acquired throughout human and animal history. Conquest. Those other areas haven't been annexed in the same way, because, after developments in the post WW2 era, acquisition evolved from outright colonization, to control using local proxies and a comprador class economically dependent on the core.