[rwalle]

LOL

I have done front end development for hobby and professionally for over a decade. I can confirm that this guy does not understand the history, limitation and complexity of tooling around the ecosystem and is just here being uninformed and whining. Phrases like "real compiler" tell enough about people who mostly work in the back end that do not understand how the real world works for web.

Or let me ask this question: How would you change all this? Why would people find it better than the current status, and that proposal be universally adopted? And I am pretty sure you can't give a convincing answer. Because if it existed, people would have adopted it. Maybe you don't think this way, but there are a lot of smart people in this ecosystem and think about it a lot.

By the way, we have come a long way and are still much better than 2000s or early 2010s for many many reasons. I don't see any acknowledgement of that.

[jpgvm]

I'm not uniformed, I am aware better solutions don't currently exist for the frontend.

This however is a thread about using TS/JS on the backend as a web server and I think you will find all my arguments perfectly valid in that context.

Saying "Javascript tooling is better in 2022 than in 2000" is a useless statement even if true when saying "Javascript tooling is vastly inferior to JVM tooling" is also valid in 2022.

Just because it's better than it was doesn't make it good.

[TobyTheDog123]

> I can confirm that this guy does not understand the history, limitation and complexity of tooling

It sounds like he does, at least a little bit, because that's the problem he has with it?

>Phrases like "real compiler" tell enough about people who mostly work in the back end that do not understand how the real world works for web.

"How the real world works for the web" is the problem.

>How would you change all this?

WebAssembly/WASI is a pretty good start IMO: Having a compiled language with escape hatches to browser APIs is the ideal for me. Personally, the closest I've seen is Flutter's Skia/CanvasKit (which does use WASM, apparently). I'd certainly like to see applications of similar concepts in other languages/frameworks though.