[Normille]

Being white and not self-loathing is practically a hate-crime these days. If you happen to be male and heterosexual too, you're worse than Hitler and should begin self-flagellation immediately.

Personally I find it offensive to be continually lectured on what a rich, over-priveleged piece of shit I am, just because I was born white. By people with more wealth and privilege than anyone in my working class family has ever enjoyed.

Political correctness, and its never-ending hammering on an already open door, has actually made me more racist of late, where I wasn't at all before.

[hdjjhhvvhga]

> Being white and not self-loathing is practically a hate-crime these days.

...in the USA. In other parts of the world, not so much. Unfortunately, the USA has enormous influence on the culture in other countries: through business culture, tech giants and so on. So many of these alien concepts transpire to societies where they make little sense.

[dudul]

So it's only "in the USA" but due to cultural influence it transpires everywhere. So it's not just a US problem.

The idea that someone should be hated because of the color of their skin makes sense no where, not even in the US.

[hdjjhhvvhga]

> The idea that someone should be hated because of the color of their skin makes sense no where, not even in the US.

There is an enormous sense between what you quote above and the comment I was replying to ("being white and not self-loathing is practically a hate-crime these days") especially in countries without a history of slavery or racial conflicts. And I think this lack of balance/distinction might be a huge problem here. You don't really go to extremes like self-loathing in order to show your respect and appreciation of other races.

[dudul]

Not even sure what point you're trying to make. I was just surprised by your contradictory message claiming that it was only an American thing.

I would be curious to know which country/territory doesn't have slavery in their past (maybe Australia?).

[hdjjhhvvhga]

I'm sorry, I could be more clear. My main point is that you don't necessarily have to denigrate your own race, whatever it is, in order to show your respect to other races. And if someone feels the opposite, it is a problem in itself (see e.g. [0] for more discussion) and is causing other problems. By the way, we are already smart to know that the discussion at that level has been influenced by Russian efforts to conquer by division[1] - and they know where the vulnerabilities are.

As for the contradiction, the USA has a history that is very much unique and not shared with other countries, and the painful consequences are still very much alive. You would need to see the reactions of people in, say, Asia, when you tell them they have to replace master/slave and blacklist with other terms. They basically do it out of politeness but they do not see the need for that.

[0] https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/featu...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_Black_Lives_Matter

[dudul]

Oh then we've been on the same page from the beginning :)