[hbbwebw]

If you’re willing to pay there are always ways to move value out. For example, buy $1M worth of t-shirts inside China. Sell for a 5% loss outside of China but say you sold at a 20% loss. Now you have money outside of China. You had to pay a decent fee and have a partner outside of China to do it but hey, that’s what gangs are for.

[nl]

Ever wonder why both Chinese investors and the Saudi sovereign fund were prepared to pay huge premiums in valuations when investing in companies, even though it was apparent it was likely they'd make a loss?

This is it. If you have $100M inside China, can take a 30% loss but end up with $70M in the US that isn't a bad deal.

[helen___keller]

> Ever wonder why both Chinese investors and the Saudi sovereign fund were prepared to pay huge premiums in valuations when investing in companies, even though it was apparent it was likely they'd make a loss?

This is totally unrelated. If you’ve got money outside the country you’ve already won, the point is that Chinese people can’t freely participate in foreign funds.

For example, many funds (sequoia, light speed, etc) maintain separate independent China funds to which the Chinese are restricted. It should be obvious to say, but a Chinese person cannot easily get wealth out of the country using a Chinese investment fund.

> If you have $100M inside China, can take a 30% loss but end up with $70M in the US that isn't a bad deal.

That’s not what GP is describing. GP is describing fraud wherein you lie about your losses (take 5% loss, report 20% loss). Everything you claim you earned goes back to China, but the gap between reported losses and true losses stays outside the country.

Note that you still want to be investing in a somewhat successful business for this scheme, to minimize loss of capital.

[nl]

> For example, many funds (sequoia, light speed, etc) maintain separate independent China funds to which the Chinese are restricted.

Indeed. And look at the valuations those specific funds pay.

> It should be obvious to say, but a Chinese person cannot easily get wealth out of the country using a Chinese investment fund.

It's not easy for a rich person to move $100M either.

[fragmede]

What challenges are there in moving that kind of money around? I imagine if you're that rich you have a private banker that deals with any AML reporting that has to be done on $100M