[John23832]

If it's not an implication, and it doesn't matter, then why was it brought up here?

Nobody is denying that people die randomly, the question here is the whether there is a subset of people who have symptoms and die randomly that can be attributed to covid.

It seem like the actual implication is that covid cannot be the cause of anyone's symptoms or deaths and that this is much to do about nothing... which imo to totally rule out covid for anything is absurd.

[phpthrowaway99]

He never had covid to anyone's knowledge, atleast he never took any time off for it and never showed symptoms. All we know is he was vaccinated, went to the gym, was energetic at work, and died in his sleep.

I was just making a point that covid related anecdata exists on all sides. In response to the guy above me giving out his singular anecdata point.

Edit: also, I had met the guy 3 years ago and talked for 10+ minutes.. and now he's dead at 49. So it was top of mind.

[jonas21]

How is this anecdote COVID-related? I feel like I'm missing something, unless this is some sort of shaggy dog story.

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaggy_dog_story

[phpthrowaway99]

It is covid vaccine related which makes it somewhat covid related.

Ps, that post was more about a girl shagging a dog.. it was a short hair dog, not shaggy.

Edit: not fair you putting the explanation of what a shaggy dog story was. Ha.

I thought it was in reference to a post of mine from yesterday about a girl on POF I discovered gross pictures of right before a date.

[John23832]

Then there was an implication? That the anecdote isn't representative of what is actually happening?

Stop being coy.

[phpthrowaway99]

The implication was that these anecdata tales exist on both sides, especially one of just ONE singular anecdote.

I wasn't implying that covid is fake or the vaccine is harmful, although I have my own reservations. The point was singular data points exist on both sides.

[John23832]

And in order to show that "other side" you would need to provide some data that implies that "covid is fake", "the vaccine is harmful", "that is much to do about nothing". The original idea presented was that covid was the cause of the thread owners issues. Presenting other data while saying "Anecdata can go all ways" is saying "no it was not". Stop hiding behind "both sides".

You can't "both sides" something that is presented as quantitative fact (binary outcomes are quantitative), you either agree with it or disagree with it. So your implication is that you disagree with the quantitative fact presented.

jfc. Say what you want with your chest. Stop being coy.

[phpthrowaway99]

When I said other side, I didn't mean the exact other side of OPs view about long covid. I meant the other complete side of the covid spectrum.. aka the anti vaxers.

Maybe I wrote it poorly, technically English is my second language although I've been here for a long time.

My point is, these singular personalized emotional data points exist all over, on both sides of the spectrum. That's all.

Regarding me being coy... Sure, I'm so coy I'm taking probably the most hated position on this site. I suppose I should just open with "As a covid vaccine sceptic, " and have people shut down instantly instead.

[inferiorhuman]

Here's a scary thought: everyone who's ever gotten vaccinated against COVID will die. Eventually. Just like everyone else.

[phpthrowaway99]

Here's a scary thought more scary than your platitude.

In 5-10 years, we might find that everyone that got the vaccine does die like everyone dies.. except they die several years earlier than average.

[orwin]

What's funny is that the narrative early 2021 was everybody getting the vaccine would die within a year. I'm happy to have survived it.

[phpthrowaway99]

That was maybe the crazies narrative on some Qanon site. I'm sure that was repeated often to make anti vaxers look insane. But for most anti vax people the narrative was "we have no idea if it's safe long term, and at the rate they seem to be pushing this on pregnant women right away, kids asap and apparently infants soon, I don't think I can trust these people."

I can't honestly remember or repeat what all the fringe doctors and researches, but yes doctors and researches, have said to convince me of my views.. but enough was said that you couldn't get me to take the vaccine for $100k, and I'm no tech millionaire.

[stackola]

Not to stir the pot too much, but the much more prevelant narrative was "Everybody not getting the vaccine would die within a year"

[phpthrowaway99]

I heard that very often from my old college friends. And it made me laugh considering during 2020s harsh covid, media said half the people that get it don't even have any symptoms... And then when the vaccine came around, I was apparently going to die if I got it without the vaccine.

Apparently the nuance between some people can't even tell they got it, some people have a mild cold, and some people die got lost on some people.

Even bill Maher showed that democrats were over estimating death odds by almost 20x, while republicans it was about 3-4x I think.

[ekianjo]

Arent we getting record excess deaths in 2022 or did I miss something?

[inferiorhuman]

  In 5-10 years, we might find that everyone that got the vaccine does
  die like everyone dies.. except they die several years earlier than
  average.

Thanks for saying the quiet part out loud. That makes it easier to follow up with this was disingenuous of you:

  I'm not implying anything.

[phpthrowaway99]

I don't see how my own personal views matter in regards to what I said.

Even if I was pro vax, and had every booster under the sun, I could still just as easily post about how people on all sides of the covid spectrum have their own anecdata points... And bring up my coworker worried the vaccine is unsafe because his vaccinated and boosted boss, that seemed perfectly healthy, died in his sleep last week and now he's wondering if it was the vaccine.

[inferiorhuman]

Sure you could just as easily post whatever, but you're not. Whoever called you coy wasn't giving you enough credit. You're propping up your worldview (one that's not supported with a shred of evidence) with innuendo.