[ryan_lane]

I used one of the newer oculus recently. It was fun for a short period of time. It wasn't so great that I'd spend a considerably amount of time wearing it, because it's so much effort to use.

The discussion is in terms of using it for meetings and such, and in that case, there's nothing they've shown us that isn't "attend a meeting in person, remote", which I can do in zoom, without needing to wear a heavy, uncomfortable thing on my entire face, for most of a day. A number of things about it are actively worse. This is why I'm saying they're just showing us the same thing, in VR. There's nothing to be excited about.

[chaostheory]

Zoom is terrible for presence, as in feeling like both of you are in the same place which VR achieves quite easily even with terrible graphics. That is very hard to demo. You have to experience it yourself for more than one 5 minute session. I strongly doubt that you’ve even used a Quest just based on your comments. It has many problems and flaws, but “too much effort to use” isn’t one of them.

[ryan_lane]

Putting something on that requires full immersion requires you to be able to fully block out time, and have physical space available, with all of the necessary equipment is effort. That physical space also needs to be a trusted space, since you're unable to know what's going on around you. For zoom, I can join on my cell phone, from basically anywhere.

That's too much effort to use.