| > everything that happens today was "led to" by history, including a black person getting a high-paying job Then why focus on the past at all? "everything led to everything" is meaningless statement, it adds no value. But we both know that the reason you made it is because it allows you to use emotions as an argument. And I still don't understand it, is average income black male more deserving of a good job than poor white male? If you focus on the past, the answer is yes. If you focus on the present, the answer is no. Which is it? > we can not say "it's not my problem because of who my ancestors are". On it's own it's a terrible argument. But one can definitely use it in response to "this is your problem because of who your ancestors were". > That's not even mentioning the fact that Genghis Khan died in 1227 and there are people alive today whose grandparents were born slaves It's not the gotcha you think it is. You're the one who brought up Genghis Khan in the first place. FYI slavery in Russian Empire ended in 1866. So yeah, there are people alive today whose grandparents were born slaves. And those people as white as it gets. Not to mention that slavery still exists in many parts of the world. So I'm still failing to understand why one group of ancestors of slaves is more deserving of inclusion than another group of ancestors of slaves. In fact, it seem to be more deserving than today's slaves. It is almost like slavery has nothing to do with those policies, and yet all your talking points are about slavery. > What if your job posting was written poorly Then it would not lead to the results and would not be considered optimal. > By learning about it and understanding its effects on their society today? Bad answer. Learning and understanding are not actionable. > I'd rather have DIE / affirmative action as we have right now than nothing That's a false dichotomy. Minorities well being has been improving decade after decade. That's not nothing. |