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by moviewise 1346 days ago
The country of Israel has desalination plants to help with its water needs.

If California had a functional government, seasonal drought wouldn't be an issue. https://www.gov.il/en/departments/general/project-water-desa...

"In order to comply with the desalination plan set out by the cabinet, 5 desalination plants were constructed over the years, in Ashkelon (2005), Palmachim (2007), Hadera (2009), Sorek (2013) and Ashdod (2015), with total production capabilities of some 585 million m3."

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California is building desal plants, Look at the one built in Carlsbad, CA that went online in 2015.

The problem is price. From the wiki[1]:

> "The cost of water from the plant will be $100 to $200 more per acre-foot than recycled water (approximately 0.045 cents per gallon), $1,000 to $1,100 more than reservoir water (approx. 0.32 cents per gallon), but $100 to $200 less than importing water from outside the county. As of April 2015, San Diego County imported 90% of its water."

Considering SD imports so much water, this is a big win. But still, this one plant cost nearly $1b to complete, and only provides 7% of the potable water for San Diego County. It's a non-trivial cost to use Desal water vs recycling efforts and loss prevention from reservoirs.

Edit: 1- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_%22Bud%22_Lewis_Carlsba... 2- https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/29/us/san-diego-drinking-wat...

So for about $10 billion dollars + operating costs (which would be less than importing) San Diego County would be free and clear.

San Diego City budget is $5 billion: https://www.sandiego.gov/sites/default/files/fy23ab_v1execut...

San Diego County budget is $7 billion: https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/openbudget/en/hom...

This seems that if they needed to they could do it.

Definitely. SD County should do this, and all the other California coastal cities. They benefit from being near the ocean, therefore transport costs are reduced making it a win over importing.

For inland california, this isn't the case since pumping costs don't make it so clear cut cost wise. Reclamation efforts like the OP company, are a really big deal because they are one of those rare "easy-wins".

+ operating costs...

If San Diego needed to then they probably could, but this is generally one of the most expensive options. It is politically impossible, but it would probably be cheaper to pump water from the Klamath to San Diego than to extract it via desalinization.

Parent post said the desal is cheaper than importation, which counted for 90%, so it doesn't seem insane on the surface.
The wording of that quote is pathologically bad. I think it is trying to say saying potable desalinated water from the plant is 0.32 cents per gallon, and recycled is 0.045 cents per gallon.

It cites a hit piece from Fox News Radio with equally confusing numbers.

Anyway, the Fox article says it will cost $1000-1400 (or maybe $1500 because they inflate the number as they go) per acre foot. At $1500, that's 0.46 cents per gallon, which is about 10-15x more than people currently pay to flood irrigate fields. Flood irrigation is notoriously wasteful.

Anyway, tap water costs about 1 cent per gallon in San Jose. These desalination plants could affordably provide water for residential use.

I wonder why the cost is so high, is it mainly electricity?

Parts of California produce more solar power than can be used at that time during parts of the day - could that extra electricity be used for desalination?