[arcticfox]

Why did you specifically select the non-population adjusted list?

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Rate of Police Killings (per 10 million residents — U.S. ranks 33rd):

  - Venezuela — 1829.9 (2018)
  - El Salvador — 1703.8 (2017)
  - Syria — 819 (2019)
  - Philippines — 556.5 (2016-21 avg)
  - Nicaragua — 522.7 (2018)
  - Jamaica — 472.7 (2018)
  - Trinidad and Tobago — 339.7 (2014)
  - Brazil — 276.2 (2019)
  - Bahamas — 275.7 (2018)
  - Saint Vincent and the Grenadines — 181.8 (2018)

[iudqnolq]

Why did you specifically select the portion of that list that doesn't include the US? It shows the US is far worse than any rich country, as I claimed.

Mexico, Rwanda, Sudan, and Mali rank 34-37

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-ki...

Edit: The closest rich countries are

- Malta, at ~2/3 the US

- Luxumberg, ~ 1/2

- Canada, ~1/3

Malta is notably an anomaly: I can't think of any other rich democracy where journalists reporting on on government links to organized crime get killed by car bombs.

[mcguire]

As an aside, I find many of these numbers to be very untrustworthy. For example, India has the note, "Includes 1,606 deaths listed as occurring in "judicial custody," but not due to police, military, or intelligence agency activity." Out of 1,731 deaths in 2019. Syria, "Syria is involved in a civil war".

Malta and Luxembourg had one (1) killing each. Statistical outliers, and all that.

[iudqnolq]

I agree completely, and thought it important enough to note up top.

As a general principle I believe this kind of data should either be rigorously analyzed in depth or analyzed as little as possible. That's why I originally posted raw numbers: I think raw numbers are the only responsible way to do this kind of internet forum surface-level analysis. It's too easy to trick intentionally or unintentionally with statistics.

It's obvious the US is an outlier from the raw numbers, there's no need to get fancy.

I chose the metric of police killings carefully. In a non-tiny democracy with a police violence problem there are enough that it's not dominated by outliers, but few enough that it's feasible for a few reporters to spot check the data. They're also notable enough a large portion of the incidents generate some publicly available commentary, often in local press.

(In non-tiny democracies without a police killing problem it might be dominated by outliers, but the raw numbers make the fact killings are rare obvious)

In the US, for example, the FBI collects statistics even they acknowledge are poor quality. The Washington Post has a project to monitor publicly available information and enter police shootings into a database, and they generally find publicly available proof of about twice as many shootings as are entered into the FBI database.

The main takeaway I wanted people to take from the data I posted is that there's nearly no country like the US close to it. Either way you read Malta & Luxembourg that's true, so there's no need to get fancy (and I think further analyzing that single stat without country-specific expertise would be questionably responsible).

I thought about saying I expected underreporting from the less democratic poorer countries but I decided I didn't want to spend the time reading their methodology to be confident in that. It's possible they've already attempted to correct for that, possibly even too much in the other way. The definition of police is also complex: Whether a unit is police or military is often historical chance.