[FartyMcFarter]

> Building muscle requires a slight caloric surplus

It doesn't:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10838463/

There are other similar studies, plus lots of anecdotal data from people who were able to gain muscle while losing weight.

[haywood]

Exactly, like I said, if you're overweight like the cops in the study, or new to training, or you take steroids, you can build muscle and lose fat. But it's not forever, at some point you'll plateau and need to pick a lane: lose fat and maintain LMB, gain some fat and gain muscle.

We're not talking insane caloric surpluses for the latter either.

[FartyMcFarter]

True - I was just pointing out that the particular part I quoted was contradictory with that point.