[soheil]

Anything that happens to the environment can absolutely be good for some species and ecosystems including the entire planet turning into a giant ocean, in that case for the fish. So it's bizarre to somehow surgically remove humans from the discussion and have a twisted conversation about balance and sustainability as if those things are absolute.

[bmitc]

I didn’t remove humans from the discussion. I said humans are not the sole focus of environmentalism, which they aren’t.