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by giantg2 1343 days ago
"No, you have the right to an attorney."

No what?

"it is not guaranteed that they will be effective,"

Umm, yeah you do. If you have ineffective counsel you can get a new one or even a new trial. That is a legal right.

"a) people can, and do, take bad advice from attorneys that results in devastating plea bargains, b) actually proving they didn't work in your best interest is nontrivial, and c) even if you can do that, a retrial also requires an attorney, which you probably still can't afford to hire, so you're just getting another public defender, and also, in the vast majority of cases, takes place while you are still in prison...and will likely take months to years."

Your point? All of this is also true with private lawyers.

"In general, your assumptions are very much that for someone wrongfully accused, the justice system will be kind and work in the most ideal way possible."

Not at all! Stop incorrectly patronizing me! I believe more or less the opposite.

"Re: Miranda rights, the Supreme Court recently gutted that, making it far, far more difficult to ensure that any given accused has been read and understands their rights."

Source?