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by nostrademons 1341 days ago
Your model is simplistic. No sane electrical engineer would build a system where EVs charge on a uniform schedule evenly distributed across all 24 hours.

Rather, you can build a system where EV chargers are basically the inverse of natural gas peaker power plants. They turn on when grid supply is high relative to demand (and hence get off-peak rates), and then turn off when grid demand is high. Most peoples' EVs would charge while they're plugged in at work; the few stragglers would charge late at night when everyone's lights are off. Unless you are about to make a cross-country trip overnight, there is no reason to charge an EV during peak hours between 5-9 PM.

That's what GP is alluding to when they say EVs are storage.

Technology for this is already being worked on:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03787...

https://www.energy.gov/eere/evgrid-assist-accelerating-trans...

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>Your model is simplistic. No sane electrical engineer would build a system where EVs charge on a uniform schedule evenly distributed across all 24 hours.

Unbelievable.

Your comments are pointless, insulting. Now you are calling me insane.

My findings were confirmed by none other than Elon Musk --who I had the pleasure of working with for two years, BTW--. Here he is, confirming what I have stated when asked the question during a conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcI6FaaDp8g&t=3510s

Regarding my simplistic model:

I went out of my way to point out that this model was "super simplified" and an "oversimplified illustration". We use oversimplified examples to illustrate points, not to provide precise models of reality.

I further explained that creating a proper model "requires writing a reasonably detailed simulation with hundreds of variables"

And then I said "which is what I did years ago in order to try and understand the relationship between EV's, power and energy."

Please. Pretty please. With sugar on top. Stop insulting people with zero-effort, zero-knowledge comments. Instead, try asking questions, engaging in constructive dialog and, perhaps, learning a thing or two.

You are arguing against conclusions that were confirmed by Elon Musk. Not sure what else to say other than, you might want to reflect on just how little of this topic might actually understand.

This is why we go nowhere with this and other issues.

On top of that you post nonsense links. What do you think you are going to accomplish, other than confirming you truly have no understanding of the problem?

We have a 1200 GW deficit in power generation and distribution. No amount of intelligent management is going to make up for this. Not one bit. Not enough. Not even close. This isn't a rounding error, this is a serious hole in future power capacity; a precondition for EV deployment

That's what you need to grok before continuing to post comments anyone with a reasonable command of the subject would easily classify as noise.

> Your comments are pointless, insulting. Now you are calling me insane.

> My findings were confirmed by none other than Elon Musk

> We have a 1200 GW deficit in power generation and distribution. No amount of intelligent management is going to make up for this. Not one bit. Not enough. Not even close. This isn't a rounding error, this is a serious hole in future power capacity; a precondition for EV deployment

There are a few possibilities as to how you could get to 1200GW

You could have gotten there by looking at the energy content of every gram of oil that enters the US and assuming it would all need to be replaced with electricity. Which would indicate that you at least failed to understand what a combustion engine is.

You could have gotten there by assuming that every EV is a tesla and needs to be fully charged every day. In which case you have at least failed to understand what an EV is.

You could have gotten there by assuming around 10kWh/day per car, but assuming that peak demand would be 10x average. In which case by proposing enough idle capacity to meet said demand will be provided by nuclear power you are assuming people will be happy to pay $1.50/kWh wholesale for their electricity and $150 to fill their teslas.

Or finally you could be intentionally spreading disinformation about renewables.