[FrankBooth]

> First statement I imply that things aren't getting better, I'll agree that some things are getting better, new features and support etc... but theres a chunk of stuff not getting improved.

What things that actually matter aren't being improved?

You're wrong about plugins so I'll assume that you mean addons here, which use a completely different interface. Addon compatibility over the new release schedule has been rough so far, it's being addressed and I expect it to be, largely, a solved problem in the near future.

Pulling support for HTML 5 features? Are you referring to WebSockets, which were exposed again later once the security problems in the spec were resolved?

Web SQL DB is a terrible spec, as it stands. It effectively requires locking a specific version of SQLite (bugs and all) into the web for eternity to ensure interoperability. You'll note that IE has also refused to implement it so far. It's hardly fair to claim it's "in direct conflict with W3C standards". Web SQL DB never made it past a working group stage, and Firefox was not the only browser against implementing it.

[wycats]

"Web SQL DB is a terrible spec, as it stands."

And further, Mozilla championed and gained consensus for IndexedDB (http://www.w3.org/TR/IndexedDB/).

It's simply not true that Mozilla is disengaged or actively hostile to popular standards without presenting a plausible alternative and fighting to make that alternative so.

[rue]

> You're wrong about plugins so I'll assume that you mean addons here, which use a completely different interface.

I personally found Chrome's plugin “API” to be pretty terrible… I use Vimperator on FF, and not only are the Chrome alternatives awfully lacking in functionality, I also need to have enabled JS for them to work. Safe?

[dextorious]

""""not only are the Chrome alternatives awfully lacking in functionality, I also need to have enabled JS for them to work"""

Yeah, just like 70% of the modern web, and all of Web 2.0.

"""Safe?"""

Enabling JS? Not to tin-foil-hat standards, but yes. You should also remember that Chrome has a special sandbox security model that FF lacks --and that is often found to be the safest browser in security tests, js and all.

[throwaway64]

i dont have to enable java script on ever page to have my firefox addons work on every page.

[dextorious]

Yes, but you have to have js enabled on every page to get the most of those pages, especially web 2.0 sites.

I'd care less about FF addons not working, and more about major functionality (Gmail for example) not working.

[rjd]

TBH I've stopped using FF unless I'm working on a new site, I can't think off the top of my head what isn't working because as stated I don't use it much anymore.

But you don't have to take my word for it, there was a big discussion about it recently: http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/08/29/1454224/Mozilla-Comm...

[bad_user]

So basically you don't know what you're talking about and you're providing Slashdot as a reference?

Also, if such discussions are possible is because Mozilla's development model is in the open, which means all of their dirty underwear is washed in public, although ultimately this is for the greater good. The same thing happens inside companies like Google or Apple, you just never hear about it.

[rjd]

No I don't have time to get drawn into what is essentially a nit picking argument and will probably end up circular in nature. I'm sure what would take me 30 minutes to dredge up and to get valid points to back me up can all be found in that link.

[bad_user]

I don't know what's your interest in this, however it looks to me like you have some kind of axe to grind.

Since you're not interested in "nit picking arguments", this makes me assume you have no interest in making Firefox better, so the other possibility is that Firefox may have caused physical or psychical damage to you or your acquaintances.

I'm sure the devs from Mozilla are sorry about it. It's time to let go.

[rjd]

I made a casual comment mostly based around what I had noticed and people kept demanding more granular definitions which I tried to oblige. TBH I struggled with that, but since people kept demanding answers I tried to oblige, failed, and tried to bow out.

My original point was Firefox has lost the recommendation status it has previously had. I also noted several technical things people had been complaining about, many of which annoyed me previously as well.

I don' really care if I get down voted, the fact is no amount of technical features is going to solve emotional issues, and Mozilla is loosing its emotional advantage. If you wanna save FF stop being technical and start thinking emotionally.