[irjustin]

> How do you know a player is a cheater?

> it's all legitimate if he wasn't caught.

> The rules do not and cannot police the act of cheating itself

These statements alone, well sure.... everything is legitimate if it's not caught. That's by definition.

Are you arguing really hard for the definition of word legitimate?

I'm actually quite confused about what it is that you're arguing here from these statements.

[Dalewyn]

I'm arguing that it is in one's interest to not hold naive ideals about the world, about reality. Reality is a dirty, ruthless place. If you don't conduct yourself being aware that other people are going to take advantage of you, or even cheat on you, then you will end up getting screwed because you cannot defend against attacks you aren't aware of nor expect.

[irjustin]

I agree with you on this.

Going back to my comment I have issue with:

> cheating is completely legitimate.

Which is not what you're saying here.

[Edit]

If you made your statement that "the world is a dirty place" I think most would agree with you. The point almost every reply is taking issue with is when you say "cheating is legitimate".

The replies, including my own, are saying "cheating is not acceptable". By originally saying "cheating is legitimate" you are saying "cheating is acceptable", but in your follow up arguments it's "cheating moves that are not caught are considered legitimate", which is the definition of legitimate and thusly there's no substance.