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by Alupis 1356 days ago
Did you read the sources you linked to?

The first is for Martime incidents, which means you can safely fire into the water (this cannot be done on land).

The second source makes it completely clear "warning shots" are prohibited except for when at sea (martime law again), and under very specific cases while in the air.

The third source explicitly states in all caps, "NO WARNING SHOTS" and says you're to "SHOOT: to remove the threat of death/serious bodily injury...".

Further, all 3 documents provided are for military scenarios, not law enforcement.

I do not understand where any one of these sources supports your argument.

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You said:

> No one in this world is training to fire a "warning shot". That is from the movies - full stop.

That is clearly not true, as evidenced by the two sources I supplied.

As for the third source, that has nothing to do with warning shots, but the fact that the military does prioritize things like verbal warnings before engagement.

They clearly write on page 4 "when possible, use the following degrees of force against hostile actors: 1) Shout 2) Shove 3) Show" with "4) Shoot" followed by several caveats.

How about No Law Enforcement Entity then...?

I'd still argue "no one" applies here because the listed acceptable cases is extremely small and specific to martime or aviation (both cases where other means of verbal communication can be difficult or impossible - as pointed out in both linked sources).

So it is still true, no one land-based is training to fire warning shots. It's just not a thing people do because it, in itself, is extremely dangerous and negligent.

That "warning shot" has to go somewhere... how can you be sure it won't injure or kill someone? How can you make sure the "bad guy" knows it's just a warning shot and not intended to be lethal? A warning shot does nothing but convince the "bad guy" they should return fire...

Lastly, how do we know these LEO's didn't shout warnings at the vehicle? Anecdotally, every police encounter I've seen where force was applied started off with a massive array of verbal warnings. It's part of their training...