[dprice1]

I wish the review (or the accompanying ecosystem review) had considered the freedom/openness of each device. To me that seems like the #1 concern I would have with a reader for content I value over the long run.

It has seemed to me that the Kindle is the device with the most lock-in whereas the Kobo has the least (it uses Adobe's DRM scheme, which at least has a tool which lets you move your content from device to device). I'm less sure about the Nook.

Second, it has never really been completely clear to me what would happen to my content were one of these companies to go out of business. Any thoughts?

Finally, since the review mentions periodicals, I think it would be great to review the periodical retention policies of the devices. I have a friend who has a Kindle and complains bitterly about its periodical retention scheme-- about how it always wants to age out (and remove) old issues of a magazine (which you have to tediously disable issue by issue), and how, once gone, you can never regain access to periodicals you once had. Want to re-read that New Yorker from last year on the upgraded Kindle you just got for Xmas? You can't...

[Posting as a non-ereader owner who keeps trying to figure out which one to get; I have used my phone as a client with Kindle and Kobo stores]

[lpolovets]

I resisted the Kindle for a long time because of the DRM/openness issues that you mention. They idea of not being able to share books, to not "own" what I had paid for, etc. really bothered me. Last year, someone bought be a Kindle for Christmas, so I figured I may as well give it a try. The Kindle quickly became one of my most cherished possessions.

Some observations:

1) Yes, the DRM sucks, philosophically speaking. I would even pay a little more just to get DRM-free versions, but unfortunately that's not an option (yet?).

2) Over time, you save money on books. A dollar here, two dollars there; it quickly adds up. Pretty soon, even if you ever had some book removed from your Kindle, you would have saved more than enough money to just go buy the physical copy.

3) That said, the horror stories about books getting removed (like the ironic '1984' fiasco from a few years ago) or accounts being locked are extremely rare. Out of millions or tens of millions of Kindle owners, there are only a handful of stories about people being screwed by DRM.

4) Because of the convenient form factor, the ease of taking the Kindle everywhere I go, and the ease of buying books (a double-edged sword), I read 2x as much as I used to. In 2010, I read just under 40 books; for 2011, I'm on track for about 70. For me, this alone makes the Kindle worth it, regardless of DRM.

5) You can have several Kindles under one Amazon account. This means my wife and I can buy 1 book and read it at the same time on our individual Kindles. That's pretty sweet.

6) As others in this thread have mentioned, you don't have to buy books through Amazon. That lets you potentially sidestep the DRM issue depending on the availability of what you like to read.

So yes, in theory, DRM sucks, and I would happily pay higher prices to truly own everything that I purchase. In practice, the cons of DRM are outweighed by everything else.

[tspiteri]

2) Over time, you save money on books. A dollar here, two dollars there; it quickly adds up. Pretty soon, even if you ever had some book removed from your Kindle, you would have saved more than enough money to just go buy the physical copy.

With the Kindle, I started to buy books more often, as they take no physical space. So even if they are cheaper per unit, I am spending more, not saving money.

[lpolovets]

Touche. =)

I guess it depends on what you are measuring. In terms of absolute spend, I agree that I spend more on books than I used to. However, given that I'm buying more books because I'm actually reading more, my "per-book spending" is a little lower.

[RexRollman]

I've heard the occasional story of Amazon freezing a customer's access to his books because of unrelated issues with the account, like returning too many items. If I do get a Kindle, which I am currently thinking of buying, I will probably create a separate Amazon account solely for use with it.

[dprice1]

Thanks for a well-reasoned first-hand account.

So I guess we agree on most of these points: e-books are great; DRM, not so much. And I think most of what you've said would apply to all of the readers reviewed (not sure about #5).

My lament about the review (and many MANY others I have read) is that it seems to heavily review physical form factor, page turn speed, button design, et cetera. All of which are important to some degree. But I think that degree has been overemphasized and is a distraction.

Whereas really, when you adopt one of these (let's take sideloading, DRM cracking etc. out of the picture for the moment), you adopt at least:

  - A physical device (covered extensively)
  - A store infrastructure
    - Its payment system & trustworthiness, flexibility, etc thereof
    - Parental controls and/or spending limits
    - The DRM scheme(s) for the content it provides (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Rights_Management#E-books)
    - The license(s) under which the content is available
    - The format of the content (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-book_formats)
    - For periodicals: Access and deletion policies around back issues
    - The ability of the provider to give you good prices and a wide range of titles, periodicals, etc.
    - Provider policies about content sharing, family usage, et cetera
  - The device's ability to integrate with public libraries
  - The device's ability to integrate with 3rd party service providers (the review touches on this with respect to Instapaper)
  - The set of formats the device will read
  - Your ability to get content you paid for on and off of the device

And probably a bunch of other things I don't know about.

So to me, what is under-reviewed is the way in which consumers get to buy, trade, sell, borrow, lend, and use the content. That seems to me to matter much more.

I spent this year buying a lot of $7 Agatha Christie e-books on various e-book stores and reading them on the respective apps on my phone (which is psychotic because each app has its own horrible quirks). I came away wondering if I would have been better off buying the $10 paperbacks, just so that I can physically distribute these books. (Aside: US copyright law is not helping here: "Murder on The Orient Express" will not leave copyright protection until 2046, 112 years after initial publication.)

As others in this thread have mentioned, you don't have to buy books through Amazon. That lets you potentially sidestep the DRM issue depending on the availability of what you like to read.

Two thoughts: First, from a user experience perspective, it basically sucks. I can buy an e-book on the Kindle Store/Nook Store/Kobo Store while sitting on a train, while trying to fall asleep, on the beach, etc. So convenience and immediacy has clear and tangible value.

Second, from a business perspective, lots of people side-loading helps to create incentives for e-book retailers to create exclusive deals either with publishers or authors (clearly, there are other reasons for these deals as well). This happened last year (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2010/08/agent-ama...) although to a lesser degree than Mr. Wylie would have liked. AFAICT, if I want to read the ebook for "The Naked and the Dead" (Mailer) my sole choice is to get it through the Kindle store.

Sorry for the explosion in length.

[lpolovets]

One long response deserves another =)

Yes, you are right that you adopt a lot when you pay for the Kindle: the device, the store, the DRM, the acceptable formats, etc. A realization that helped me overcome by hesitation is that I don't have have to love every aspect of the ecosystem -- I just have to like it enough to value it at $100 for the device and ~$10/book. (And I do value the ecosystem that much). I would rather pay $200+$15/book for DRM free, but I would also rather pay $10 to read a book I don't "own" on the Kindle than pay $5 for a book I physically own because I prefer convenience to ownership. So even if Kindle eBooks were marketed as "You pay the same price as the paper copy, and after you read a book once we automatically delete it," I would still buy eBooks for the convenience and portability(except I'd view the purchases more like renting than buying).

So to me, what is under-reviewed is the way in which consumers get to buy, trade, sell, borrow, lend, and use the content. That seems to me to matter much more.

I am guessing we both agree that the #1 purpose of the Kindle is to read books. Where we might differ is how important the nonprimary purposes are: lending, trading, etc. I used to think they were important, but at one point I realized I was more interested in the "potential ability" to use those features than actually using them. For example, I wanted to be able to lend books to friends, and it really bothered me that I wouldn't be able to do that with a Kindle. But when I did the math, I realized that while I recommended books frequently, I lent them rarely (due to logistics of living in different cities, forgetting to bring a book when I'm meeting up with someone, etc.) Similarly, I used to resell my used books, and it bothered me that I couldn't resell a Kindle book, which means I could never recoup any monetary value from it. But then I realized that I spent a lot of time listing books on half.com, I rarely recouped more than 20% of their value, and the whole process was a giant pain. The alternative of just buying the eBook at a 5-10% discount no longer seemed like a bad deal -- even if I could not resell it.

That said, for me lending and trading are distant seconds to reading. I'm sure there are many people, possible including you, who view those things as a very close second to reading. In that case, maybe the Kindle and other DRM-laden readers are not for you.

Finally, regarding your point that circumventing the Amazon store sucks: you're right. But part of the point is to figure out how much you value convenience vs DRM. If you hate DRM, then perhaps you embrace the extra effort required to buy books outside of Amazon. If you don't like it, but don't really care, then you just buy on Amazon. I think it's similar to how most people use Windows, a few people use Linux so that they can have more control/transparency, and then there's RMS who is happy to not use anything that is not GNU, even though 99.99% of the population thinks that would be a miserable (online) existence.

[ansy]

I went a long time refusing to buy any DRM content for fear of whatever.

But at the end of the day, I just write it off as an experience. I'm not paying $5 to own this book/song/software for eternity. I'm paying $5 to experience it for whatever duration it lasts. Much like paying $9 for a movie ticket to sit for two hours in a theater, I might pay $9 to read a book over several days on my device and possibly re-read it a few months down the road.

It's a different mentality. But it's one we regularly apply elsewhere without similar qualms. A nice dinner. A theme park ticket. A trip overseas.

I think the greatest argument against DRM is more anthropological than practical. It doesn't affect me that much at all today and now. But it would be sad indeed if future generations lost access to great works of the 21st century because of DRM.

[tikhonj]

I recently got a Kindle 3. I actually won it rather than buying it, so I didn't do much research into alternate options, so I only really know how the Kindle works.

You can just buy ebooks outside of the Amazon store and load them onto your Kindle. Calibre is a perfect program for this--it helps manage your collection and converts the files for you. It's very good at converting epub to mobi--which makes sense; the formats are related--and is pretty good with other formats. Pdf is more difficult, but it does do a decent job sometimes. Other times it's a complete mess.

Thanks to Calibre, you are not really tied to Amazon for getting ebooks. If you do opt to use Amazon, you might have some issues, but I don't know because I haven't bothered. I also have no idea about periodicals because I don't read any. I basically use my Kindle to read random science fiction novels when I have free time.

The real advantage of the Kindle isn't in the market (as far as I'm concerned) but in the convenience and form factor. I've actually found it easier to read than a paperback, and it lets me carry a decent collection of books around easily. I suspect other ereaders are similar in that regard.

[sant0sk1]

Do books that you load on your Kindle with Calipre still get their metadata (read location being the main one I'd want) synced across Kindles/iOS/other devices?

[larsberg]

No. Not even if you send it to your kindle via [e-mail].

But, Calibre is now much better at generating real TOCs and remembering their position when you go to/from sections & articles. The Economist (free!) and Reuters News auto-copy and delivery through Calibre are in quite good shape these days.

[masterj]

>No. Not even if you send it to your kindle via [e-mail].

This actually changed with a recent firmware update. I haven't bothered to update my kindle firmware to try it out, but personal documents should now be synced just like kindle books.

Edit: This hasn't come to the apps (iOS, android, et al) yet, but will be there in a few months supposedly.

http://venturebeat.com/2011/10/16/kindle-third-gen-update-br...

[tikhonj]

I have no idea because I only ever use my Kindle to read stuff.

[dprice1]

I guess I should have clarified that I'd like to be able to use the device more-or-less as designed. Sideloading and conversion is nice but not something I want to do on any kind of regular basis.

That is to say: Yes, I can try to overcome cumbersome DRM by applying my own labor, but there is a cost to that. In my mind, that cost would count against the value proposition of the device.

[spindritf]

> Sideloading and conversion is nice but not something I want to do on any kind of regular basis.

It's on par with loading podcasts onto an mp3 player, not exactly a labour-intensive task.

[tikhonj]

It's really no different from using iTunes to sync your music, except that Calibre is much nicer to use than iTunes.

[kghose]

Well, going to http://www.gutenberg.org/ and finding books from there is enough for me!

I got the Kindle 4 for my wife and now I want one. I think the Amazon store is a little nasty (there is no "confirm" screen during purchases) and so on, but I think there are enough sources of ebooks other than Amazon.

Authors can now surely offer ebooks directly from their sites, instead of involving a middle man. I don't know why this hasn't taken off.

It would make for a nice return to the artisan age, where we bought stuff directly from the creators.