[ItsMonkk]

There's a realization you come to short after you understand what you described as an easy transition to a much better community - the transition from grid streets is much simpler than the transition from suburban streets. All of the suburbs filled with stroad connected cul-de-sac developments might be nearly permanently disfigured that aren't worth the costs to retrofit.

[noahtallen]

To be fair, suburb streets aren’t that car unfriendly. Many of the subdevelopments I’ve been to are extremely chill, low traffic, low speed.

The problem is really twofold:

- suburbs are far away from anything worth biking to. Strip malls and chain stores aren’t great destinations. The nice stuff (or bike friendly stuff) is closer to the city and many miles away from the subdevelopments.

- Those connection stroads are dangerous to walk and bike on. On the flip side, the public right of way used to built them is so large, it’d be “easy” to add bike lanes and sidewalks. By easy, I mean it won’t make people’s lives worse. You could remove a lane or a handful of parking spots and it wouldn’t make a huge impact to human life.

But at the end of the day… if there’s nowhere to go, no one would use those modified roads.

So it’s a catch 22, and I doubt it will get better with small local initiatives because the suburb lifestyle is so ingrained in many people’s lives.