[voski]

I think you will like the model 3 more than a volt or a bolt.

I am in a similar situation as you. I want to get rid of my model 3 but I am not sure what to replace it with…

No EV exists with the same performance in that price range.

I do not like my model 3. Tesla service is not trustworthy in my experience. My car was delivered with minor fit and finish issues.

I despise the lack of apple car play or android auto.

[highwaylights]

If this is legit (and I don't really doubt that it is other than it's so rare to hear someone complain about Tesla while simultaneously owning a Tesla), then I'd love to hear more about this.

You say the car has minor fit and finish issues, but that's clearly not what would motivate you to get rid of it. CarPlay / AA is fixable I imagine.

Is there anything else that's gone wrong with your experience?

I say this as someone who has eyeballed the Model 3 but never committed, and I'd be interested to hear about any negatives (as the internet hype mafia makes it difficult to see these stories).

[voski]

It is legit.

I don’t think CarPlay is coming. It is a product decision right? They want you using Tesla premium connectivity. CarPlay would let you bypass that.

Yes you are right the fit and finish on its own is not enough. However there shouldn’t be any fit and finish issues in my opinion. I paid the asking price so why am I getting a discounted fit and finish.

These are just a list of things that come to mind. It’s multiple straws that broke the camels back for me. Some of them are with the car itself and the others are with Tesla employees. All accumulating to me not trusting Tesla.

* 0-60 time increased after I placed my order and before the car was delivered

* sales team lied to me

* service advisors lied to me

* service management lied to me

* car doesn’t come with floor mats

* too many false positive “safety” alarms. Road side departure warning goes off a lot for me when I’m dead center in the lane. It’s really stressful for me and any passengers

* super chargers rarely charge at max speed

* supercharger musical chairs when the station is full

* phantom rattling noises from the cabin

* ui tweaks and “experiments” are annoying. Stop changing my interface

* playback of sentry mode videos is buggy

* non-standard charge port

* windshield wiper fluid sprays everywhere but the windshield

I could keep going. I’m just over the hype and don’t really want to deal with the company any more.

There are a lot of good things about it. I enjoy how the car drives and handles. The iOS app is great.

[natch]

>They want you using Tesla premium connectivity. CarPlay would let you bypass that.

This is a stupendously, jaw-droppingly cynical take.

There is no way premium connectivity is making them any significant amount of money. It is so cheap! $100 / year last I checked. So Tesla is not basing any product decisions on that little pittance of money (remember, most of that money goes to the cellular companies that provide the networks, so the profit if any must be truly tiny).

And premium connectivity brings so much more than just music… video, web, traffic data, remote honk, remote light flash, remote viewing of live camera feed from the car's cameras on all sides, remote climate precooling / prewarming, remote control of other car functions, notifications about state changes, remote monitoring of charging status, notifications when charge is done, notifications of alarms… I mean the list is huge. You get all this with premium connectivity and none of it without.

You say the iOS app is great; connectivity with the car is one of the reasons it is great… I say all this just to make the point that just adding CarPlay would not make any meaningful number of people drop premium connectivity. What CarPlay offers is just a tiny little bit of all this.

So I'd look elsewhere for reasons why Tesla won't have CarPlay (and I agree they won't). Probably because they don't want to give up control of their UI to a massively controlling entity that wants to dictate so many aspects of what happens, and who also wants a cut of everything, including most likely things that are simply free with Tesla today.

There's quite a laundry list of other similarly oddly overwrought complaints that could be responded to above, but the only other one that really sticks for me is that sentry mode playback is indeed very flaky… but you know, that will be fixed in a software update.

Long story short, expecting CarPlay when Elon and Apple both want total control is a non-starter. CarPlay has too much baggage in the form of Apple control.

[voski]

Good write up. Thank you for the response I agree with you.

[natch]

Thanks for your reply too :-).

[natch]

Driving addiction could be a negative for some people. Seriously. The car is so fun it messes with your limbic system. For AWD and up models at least but I hear the RWD models are still fun. Myself I embrace the fun carefully while keeping the addiction in check, at least that’s what I tell myself.

[dzhiurgis]

I drove Kona EV for few months and I think EV's have just too much torque, especially at lower speeds. Extra torque from likes of Tesla at high speeds are great for overtaking, but going 0-60 in seconds is recipe for missing a corner. I don't expect this to be regulated, but it makes sense why most EV's cap on 8s 0-60.

[natch]

The torque is there if you press the pedal down more than 1/4 or so but you barely need to touch the pedal. It’s just pedal control. Use of the torque is entirely optional. Most people don’t go 0-60 in three seconds while cornering.

[natch]

Regen braking is wonderful in a Tesla though.

[natch]

You would like to use both iPhone and Android at the same time? More importantly you would allow Google’s code to run in a car that you drive? I wouldn’t advise that.