[workingon]

Academic societies can have whatever ideologies they wish. Go present at a conference that doesn't have an ideology you don't have. That's true freedom. This is the same thing as Trump complaining about being banned from twitter. It's anti-capitalism and anti-freedom.

[Seattle3503]

A lot of public money goes in to these organizatikns and their research.

[trention]

Can an academic society in the USA today have an ideology explicitly presented as "the advancement and preservation of the white race"? No? Then your whole argument falls apart.

[workingon]

Yes, it definitely can. It'd just be laughed out of the building and no one but assholes would present there. AKA freedom works perfectly

[trention]

Can you give me one example where such a society was allowed? Because I can give you plenty of examples where white ethnic activism was explicitly prohibited and people were kicked out of university for engaging in it.

Deliver or be proved the bullshit artist you are.

[dillondoyle]

Really?

first: tone & language means this is silly of me to reply.

second: how about basically the entire existence of the US

so many examples of government & local police enforced white ethnic activism and active racism & enslavement.

fugitive slave act. legally forced segregation & jim crow laws.

[trention]

It was absolutely obvious that the time period I was referencing was now, not 60 years ago. You have to be especially dense to not get that.

Also, you were not explicitly asked or referenced in my comment so your first point is irrelevant.

Yes, especially dense.

[dillondoyle]

this is the opposite of what comments on HN are supposed to be.

you clearly asked "Can you give me one example where such a society was allowed?" that is past tense, not bounded to now. I answered. You are wrong.

Oh and BTW white ethnic activism is alive and well.

[TylerE]

Nothing stopping the American Nazi Party from holding a conference.

[thebooktocome]

The white suprematists found it more effective not to explicitly state their ideological goals.

There are plenty of academic legal societies very interested in “states’ rights”, “returning to the constitution”, “memorializing the Confederacy”, etc. I don’t see a important distinction between an explicit statement and dog-whistle so thinly veiled that everyone knows what it stands for.

[Ancapistani]

> I don’t see a important distinction between an explicit statement and dog-whistle so thinly veiled that everyone knows what it stands for.

That’s an interesting statement.

I’ve personally attended a memorial ceremony hosted by the United Daughters of the Confederacy where a Black woman spoke for an hour about the conditions under which Blacks, both enslaved and free, existed in the Confederacy. She was a UDC member, which means that she was a thoroughly documented descendant of a Confederate soldier. In her case, that was a man who was offered his freedom in exchange for military service.

You say “everyone knows it stands for”, but my experience says that a more truthful statement would be “most people believe they know what it stands for”.

[thebooktocome]

Yes, all communication channels have noise.