[Espressosaurus]

Yes, all of that is true. It is also true that they have organizations can and will get rid of people that are too toxic to work there. Sometimes the system even works! I've known of several people who, despite being brilliant engineers, repeatedly said the kinds of things you just can't say in polite company and so were eventually let go.

Yes, it took too long.

The system (at two separate companies) eventually worked.

That's not the only reason companies will get rid of people of course, because they are ultimately capital-dedicated authoritarian organizations. But it is a reason, which is my point.

And across the industry there is something akin to a floor of acceptable behavior. I cannot go into the office nude. I'm generally not allowed to abuse the other employees (however the higher up you are/the more important you are, the harder it gets to remove you, and it always relies on reporting).

There is a floor, and it's in practice lower than I'd like, but it exists.

[belorn]

> I cannot go into the office nude

Welcome to the finish sauna located inside the office.

It always context dependent. Organizations and companies in particular have cultural filters. I know people who find it toxic when people mix alcohol and work, while other find it useful to grease the professional relationship. Personally I find having a work get together at the sauna more suitable then the bar, but I am pretty sure 99% of HN belong to cultures that disagree.

[peoplefromibiza]

> is also true that they have organizations can and will get rid of people that are too toxic to work there

define toxic.

Companies often promote people that would be immediately kicked out from any other of those examples.

Nobody would start a band with Elon Musk.