[esskay]

In reality its going to be 10+ years and it'll be more than 20k. Thats assuming they actually release it, they seem to be collecting a pretty large list of vaporware right now. Cybertruck and Semi for example which seem to be stuck in development hell.

They seem to have a real issue actually shipping. Partly because Elon is incapable of understanding realistic timeframes.

[Seanambers]

Unrealistic timeframes also has the benefit of getting the most out of people. But Elon is getting quite a bit of flak for the expectations it sets.

It sure will be interesting to see where FSD & Teslabot is in a couple of years. The pace of innovation is extremely high at Tesla and should make you wonder what Boston Dynamics, Waymo and others have been up to for all these years.

[foobiekr]

Making things that actually work outside of imaginationland?

How can you look at what they showed yesterday after the rest of the world has made things 109x more capable and conclude that they are innovators in the space?

Even the rando Chinese companies have done a better job cloning spot mini than this.

[tim333]

More things working outside of imaginationland than most produce in several lifetimes.